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Ratcheting or Snap Binders?

Discussion in 'Equipment Moving Questions' started by BKrois, Nov 6, 2003.

  1. TriHonu

    TriHonu Well-Known Member

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  2. IH270A

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    well I must be another oddball ...... around here every one has been in the logging buisness for years .. and we have all used snap binders for years , and I have never seen an accident with them except once when a chain link actually broke , I saw some trying to use those ratchet binders but once they got full of pine tree sap they were usually thrown
    along with a few choice words .. however I am not saying they aren't used , just the people I know .....
     
  3. OCR

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    I must be an odd ball too:

    Ratchet binders can be a real pita... but they will crank down a load tight...
    but so will snap binders and they're faster.

    And as you say...once they got full of pine tree sap they were usually thrown... I think that's the worst part about them.

    Here's a twist on a different use. This is a Flexi coil 300A chisel plow... and any one who has one, knows how hard it is to get them leveled... especially after you break one of those roller chain links... this solves the problem...
    and you don't even have to take the hooks off.

    Another thing a ratchet binder can be used for sometimes... is a jack or spreader... don't use it to pull in...sometimes you can place them just right and push out. I like and hate them at the same time... :)


    OCR

    PS: I'm not completely done with the mods. here... that's why nothing is painted... it's still in the " proof of concept phase"... ;)


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  4. OCR

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    This adjustment is critical... if it's not right, sections of the plow dig deeper than the rest... and you can carry an extra one... :cool:

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  5. IH270A

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    WEll is that an old KONGSKILED chisel plow , we had one similar when I was young and , we
    used to plant soy beans ........ seems like the one we had also had clod breaking rollers
    on the back that was spring loaded .
     
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    HelloIH270A,

    This is a Flexi coil 300A chisel plow.

    Take care,


    OCR
     
  7. imbzcul8r

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    We are using ratchet cinches, but they are far from being the final answer. We had a driver eat the handle on a regular cinch so we switched, but here's my opinion of them: they are SLOW, they bind up with dirt & road spray, freeze up in winter use & you have to be careful when tightening because if the chain gives slack you will overextend your elbow. When being used on logging roads you better pack lots of spray lube cause you'll need it to get them loose.That being said, I like them better when tying down rubber tired machines or loads that have no give at all. jmho
     
  8. Deerehauler

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    I do exclusively local hauling--it is a rarity for me to be more than 120 miles from home. I average 350 miles per day so that is a LOT of loading and unloading. I use snap boomers mainly for the time I save. I am VERY careful with them and I am the ONLY one who chains or unchains things on my truck. So far no problems. I also wire the handles but the wire gets to be a pain after a while.

    I have been thinking about making a small clevis that would go over the handle and be pinned through the chain when the load is secured. This would eliminate the wire problem and would be very secure and quick. If we get another spring blizzard I may get a little time to come up with a prototype.
     
  9. colson04

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    Glad there's a search feature on this site. I know this is an old thread. I was just about to make a new thread asking this same question, but I would have just been beating a dead horse again.

    I have snap binders, all I've ever known. Recently, my uncle suggested I get some ratchet binders for hauling equipment. I do need a couple more binders, and I'm debating if the extra cost is worth it to pick up ratchet binders. I've really never had a problem with snap binders, and I'm well aware of the hazards of using snap binders. Certainly not something I need to buy tonight, just something I'm wanting to add to my trailer box for future use.
     
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  10. mitch504

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    Well, why not get ratchets, then you'll have both. They each have their good points.
     
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  11. Willie B

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    I have two know it all sons. One insists that cam binders are not DOT legal. The other refuses to use ratchet binders.
    Oh well! I have 16 binders. This means I can usually find at least four.
     
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    I keep both. Ratchets have their place. I keep them lubed and use them on everything till I need a "hard" binder where there is no room to move a ratchet handle. I usually make 4-6 moves a day.
     
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    Perless ratcheting binder www.peerlesschain.com/products/QuikBinder-Plus-Ratchet-Loadbinders/
    I was like you only had snap binders. Started getting a few ratcheting ones and really liked them. Don't get the cheap red ones. Start with these peerless ones. They dont fall apart when you make them long. plus the ratchet mechanism works 3 times nicer.
     
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    Thanks for waking this thread up, forgot I need to buy some for one of my loads headed to MT. Have two 1/2" snap binders, but DOT requires 4 for 10k lbs or more and I don't know what this tractor weighs. Maybe little less than 10k but nice to have extra for future use. Now I just need a couple steer tires and I should be set.
     
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    A bad thing with ratchets is when guys just undo enough to cut them loose and you have to wind them out next time before you use them.I always try and wind them right out for next time. Thats being nit picky i know.( the ones with stops in them so they dont fall apart when you unwind them are best) . All that said i agree both have their place.
     
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    Maybe i am the odd guy but i have a spray can of oil and oil them once a week and spin my binders closed after every use. It only takes a few seconds to spin them open and closed and by doing that is keeps them clean and always the two threaded parts at the same length. Its really fast if you just leave one side attached to the trailer and hold the other side and spin it around.
    I will often load and unload a little 8 ton machine three times a day.
     
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  17. Old Doug

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    I haul alot of junk cars by stacking them 2 high tying them down with snap binders. It takes 2 first one pulls the slack then with out removing the first one use another on top of the first then when the first is lose move it a link and retighten keep doing this and you can cut a car in to. I have never been hurt or know any one that has been but exstream care needs to be used when they are tight. I use one of those open end bars and just kick it lose. You can get one of these bars free but that is very dangerus to flat bed drivers throw them off there trailers just past were they loaded last. I wanted one so one day going to KC Mo i kept a eye out the first 2 were black i wanted the more rare red one on they way out there was a red one just were it left the trailer. That has been close to 30 years ago now i have still have that faded red bar.
     
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  18. Steve Frazier

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    I've always used snap binders, I'm aware of their danger and give them full respect. I've always hauled rubber tired machines to this point but now have a mini ex to haul and find that with the snap binders the chain is too loose but too tight to get another link. Rachet binders would eliminate this problem.
     
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  19. Old Doug

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    I get the crap scared out of me one time. New guy at work we were going to unload a trailer that wasnt on a truck it had a removeable neck that had to be chained up if not on a truck. it was seating behind a crane so me and anther guy was going to move some stuff then unload the trailer we told new guy to unchain the load but we forgot about the neck chain. We heard a crash and both of us knew what happen and figured he was died. I didnt want to look but some how he was ok.
     
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    If you haul enough having both will come in handy........
     
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