DMiller
Senior Member
They speak a great line, but these batteries have not been out that long, will see how long that commentary lasts.
Change is indeed constant.I don't think anyone can be satisfied with anything in this thread.
The whole nation is infected.
It's all a conspiracy these days.
People hate change, it's uncomfortable but constant.
We are just one battery breakthrough discovery from making EV a replacement for combustion engines just as cell phones have come from the Motorola brick cell phones to what you are looking at now for some to read this of today's cell phones and tablets.
As for replacement by certain dates in the near future as Washington and California have signed into law, no it's not physically, economically or logistically possible. Look up how many registered combustion engine vehicles in those two states alone, then break down by the time table before zero hour and that should paint a Jackson Pollock painting of where this is going.
The difference with cell phones and Model Ts (v horse and carriage), is that they were products of the free market. To my knowledge, the government never mandated or subsidized either of them (although the government saw the potential). The best solutions come from small entrepreneurial start ups or some guy working in his garage. As long as the government tries to control, direct, or mandate technology, it gets skewed. I would love to have a Tesla, but it doesn't work for me for a host of reasons. As has probably been stated before, even Elon Musk says we still need oil and gas.We are just one battery breakthrough discovery from making EV a replacement for combustion engines just as cell phones have come from the Motorola brick cell phones to what you are looking at now for some to read this of today's cell phones and tablets.
As for replacement by certain dates in the near future as Washington and California have signed into law, no it's not physically, economically or logistically possible. Look up how many registered combustion engine vehicles in those two states alone, then break down by the time table before zero hour and that should paint a Jackson Pollock painting of where this is going.
So let's halve those numbers for schits and giggles for one state with lowest number registered vehicles and divide that by the years they got to do this.Had already looked that up Spud several months ago.
World 1.4 billion
Cars 280 million US
Trucks 15.5 million US
Motorcycles 8.5 million US.
Lawn mowers 5 million US.
Average car life 11.4 years US.
Zero hour is no more combustion engines sold, there will still be combustion engines on the road.
Washington State registered 2016-2.86 million.
California registered 2016-31 million.
I guess some will be walking-but the U.S. has a Fat/Obesity problem so it may help out there
for the Jackson Pollock painting.
It wasn't til last couple of decades the gov learned they could do more with mandates, free market left the building long ago.Change is indeed constant.
The difference with cell phones and Model Ts (v horse and carriage), is that they were products of the free market. To my knowledge, the government never mandated or subsidized either of them (although the government saw the potential). The best solutions come from small entrepreneurial start ups or some guy working in his garage. As long as the government tries to control, direct, or mandate technology, it gets skewed. I would love to have a Tesla, but it doesn't work for me for a host of reasons. As has probably been stated before, even Elon Musk says we still need oil and gas.
Far as I'm concerned I don't care which direction this goes, I get a laugh both ways.
Oh I got your point and understand your position on it, wasn't aimed at you. I'm laughing at the figures and not yours but realistic numbers of feasibility. I'm in the same boat as you on which direction and speed this might go, I'm just stating the variables as is speak for themselves on speed of this going. I'm sitting in the middle of this along with a lot of other things that are out of my control.Spud-it's not that I'm for or against EV's. Hell there's a good chance I'll be dead by 2030 and never see
any of this. The point is {it's going to happen maybe not as fast or slow as some think}. I've seen a lot
take place in my life time and most I never thought would happen, did.
I won't dispute the ev will work well in some situations. But to mandate it in all situations is stupid, but stupid is what bureaucrats do best.