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Which excavators are made by the same people??

Discussion in 'Excavators' started by iceberg210, Nov 5, 2006.

  1. Pgentech

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    hitachi & deere

    Does hitachi and deere have similiar makes and models? If yes which ones?
     
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    Hello Pgentech. Welcome to the Heavy Equipment Forums. If you have a read back through this thread you will find a good explanation of the Hitachi/Deere arrangement as applicable to the medium and large size excavators.
     
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    Hi Squizzy Yes I know that is why the lame question. My real question was submitted regarding a hydraulic cylinder bleeding off in one direction only. But the rules state you must submit at least three replies before you can post thus I tried to pick three that where or would not get allot of replies.

    If you can help with the bleed off I would be greatful
     
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    Hello

    Any one have any idea how far back the Case/Link Belt/Sumitomo marriage has existed? I have a 1996 Link Belt LS 2800. For that matter, ( I know this thread is about excavators, but) I have a 1976 Link Belt 22 ton crane, is it the same as any other brand names?
     
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    I think it started around that time,when Jcb split from summitomo case moved in,and stopped manufacturing proclain.The case 9010 was the same as a JCB Js130 of 94 vintage..
     
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    Link-Belt and Sumutomo have been together since the early eighties on excavators. They were the small ones at first, 2650, 2700, 2800 and 3400 size were all made in Japan by Sumutomo. Link-Belt made the 5400, 5800, 6400 and 7200 in Kentucky. Link-Belt cranes were always made in Kentucky.

    Drott, Case and Poclain were owned by Tennico Corporation until sometime in the late eighties. Poclains were marketed by Case in the United States. Poclain made the twenty ton and larger units while Case concentrated on the smaller machines in the Drott product line. The Case product line was inexpensive and built to stay that way. The didn't provide a long service life and their cost per hour went sky high after a few thousand hours of operation. The Poclain line was usually priced in the premium market, had very poor factory and dealer support and the sky was the limit as far as cost per hour was concerned.

    Case bought itself out of Tennico sometime in the eighties and formed some kind of joint partnership with Sumitomo in the early to mid nineties. They got the new model of machines before the Link-Belt dealers did which caused a lot of confusion and plenty of hard feelings at the time.

    I don't know what all is happening nowdays with either as their market share in my area of the country is very poor. Link-Belt has owned the logging market until the last couple of years with the Deere/Hitachi lines taking a big bite. There are a few companies using Link-Belt excavators as leverage to get better prices on the market leaders. Case seems to be completely out of the mid to large machine lines around here.
     
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    let me correct you the 442 is made by schaeff
     
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    In the EXCAVATORS in North America are for the most part made by those you already mentioned, the rest come into the U.S. as "Gray Market Machines"; these "Gray" machines are made overseas and sold here at bargain prices, but when it comes to getting parts for these "Grays", not so easy to get, especially when the clock is ticking away on a project and the machine is down. - Word to the wise: Check parts availability first because the money you save now could cause you to be an "also ran" in future project bids.
     
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    I'm really happy to see all the information gathered in this thread. Really interesting and amazing information on such a tightly knit industry...

    Seeing some posts on JSW's I'm curious, were these just rebadged MDI Yuntai machines? They look somewhat similar,and even more so similar to the last Koehring models before they disapeared off the charts... Does anyone know who was building JSW and Koehring's before they disapeared? And why JSW and Koehring disapeared?

    Thanks.
     
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    Interesting fact .
     
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    :D

    Which one?????????????????????
     
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    JCB is not together with anyone on their excavators (or anything for that matter). As someone above posted, in the earlier years, JCB had a joint effort with Sumitomo (hence the JS name), but that dissovled in the mid-90's. The JCB JS excavator is designed and built by JCB in their Heavy Line plant in the UK. Now I'm not claiming that it is entirely JCB components, because like everyone in the industry, they use a lot of Japanese pumps, valves, motors, etc. But the machine is engineered and built by JCB.

    I think some of the confusion comes from the fact that JCB used to make Cat's backhoes for them in the 80's, and still made their cabs into the 90's I believe.
     
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    Wow, feels like my brain is about to blow after reading this....

    So Kobelco is made in the USA?
     
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    Yes, down in Georgia. They made their 10,000th excavator at the plant last year, I believe.
     
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    CNH and Kobelco End Alliance, Kobelco to Rebuild North American Network
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    Kobe Steel, Ltd. and group company Kobelco Construction Machinery Co., Ltd. announced that the initial term of their global alliance with CNH Global N.V. ended on December 31, 2012. The parties determined not to renew their agreement.

    Under the 10-year global alliance, which began in January 2002, Kobelco Construction Machinery's sales and marketing rights were limited to the Asia and Pacific area, including Australia. From January 1, Kobelco Construction Machinery will market and provide services on its own in North America, Europe, South America, the Middle East, Africa, and the CIS countries. With the ending of the global alliance, equity participation with CNH will also be terminated.

    CNH will continue to be entitled to manufacture and sell hydraulic excavators currently licensed from Kobelco Construction Machinery. In addition, until the end of December 2017, CNH will have the right to procure hydraulic excavators from Kobelco Construction Machinery on an OEM basis. Servicing parts will continue for 10 years.

    http://www.forconstructionpros.com/press_release/10847541/cnh-and-kobelco-end-alliance-kobelco-to-rebuild-north-american-network
     
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    FYI..CNH, who at the time of the joint venture, owned controlling interest in that plant, Closed the Kobelco factory in Georgia. No Comment.
    KOBELCO just opened new state of the art factory in Spartanburg South Carolina.
    CNH cannot manufacture excavators with Kobelco technology, the alliance has ended world wide.
    CNH, for now, continues to sell OEM branded KOBELCO manufactured mini excavators.
    CNH excavators are make by Sumitomo, which is branded Link Belt in North America.
     
  20. John C.

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    The Sumitomo excavators can be brand Case and Link-Belt. Both those lines used the Kobelco line for the minis for years.