Pacific trucks in the logging industy

[diamondtguy]

We never put a blue radiator on a orange P-16.I only recall one customer buying Blue P-16's in my time there.Looks like one of them got parted out...Cory

 

[Hayesno1]

Pacific truck being scrapped at Tom Turners place summer 2005.

 

[Hayesno1]

Here a few P16's with blue rads. First 3 pics are B. Carrolls trucks - diamondtguy; I guess you are referring to his trucks.
Next 2 pics are a Gold River truck.

 

[diamondtguy]

Yes those are the trucks...It was always a nice change when a blue frame hit the floor...Cory

 

[Hayesno1]

Another blue P16. I wonder who was the original owner. It says Timberwate on door. Pics were shot at Koprinos shop.

 

[Hayesno1]

Steel Rock Logging P16 truck. This is old B. Carroll unit #9.

 

[Greatwestcam]

ex-ex CE Routh

That ex Butch Carrol #9 is one of the 3 P-16 that he bought off Ted Routh, I drove that one for 5 years, has change a bit since then, now has 121 diffs and a 60 series detriot in it. Routh bought that one new in 1978. I think I have a pic or two of it....

 

[diamondtguy]

Interesting stuff...The blue and white H-14 appears to have shop made fenders and running boards.Also on the Timberwest parts truck it has checkerplate(shop made) running boards and rear fenders..I am sure there are a few storys in the history of those trucks....As with all the big logging trucks and equipment.....Cory

 

[Greatwestcam]

P-10

They took off the log rigging and put this rock box on. Had a radio invertor bolted over the ID plate so I couldn't get s/n info. but she is still working.

 

[ap40rocktruck]

They took off the log rigging and put this rock box on. Had a radio invertor bolted over the ID plate so I couldn't get s/n info. but she is still working.

Interesting, the box looks puny on the back of that chassis. Thanks for sharing.
Rick

 

[steveo916]

hello
i have a m26 pacific truck and its matching ww2 trailer.
i have seen a few of these converted for the logging industry.

i would be very interested in finding more of these trucks or trailers near me in california, but even oregon, washington areas would be fine.
if you know where i could find any of the following i would much appreciate.
m26 pacific trucks and trailers.
yarder undercarriage, sherman tank based.
mack NO2 trucks like this one http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/2731/IMG_06382.JPG

here are some pics of one used for logging and some of my restored one with its trailer.

 

[boardbysled]

I believe M26 a PACCAR product, and the 'Pacific' log trucks were built by a Canadian company under a similar name.

Still really interested to see some more M26's converted for logging use. I believe Madill used to use them as carriers for yarders.

 

[steveo916]

these where made by Pacific Car & Foundry Co. for ww2.
they had an armored and an un armored version. they where nick named dragon wagon.
chain drive on the rear axles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M25_Tank_Transporter

you can see on the first pic i posted that the truck has the original combat rims with the bolts around the rim so you can unbolt the 2 halfs of the rim to replace the tire. my truck is missing the original rims.

 

[ap40rocktruck]

these where made by Pacific Car & Foundry Co. for ww2.
they had an armored and an un armored version. they where nick named dragon wagon.
chain drive on the rear axles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M25_Tank_Transporter

you can see on the first pic i posted that the truck has the original combat rims with the bolts around the rim so you can unbolt the 2 halfs of the rim to replace the tire. my truck is missing the original rims.

Pacific Car & Foundry IS PACCAR. In the beginning Pacific Car & foundry manufactured rail road cars among many other items. In the development of the M-26 tank retriever (Dragon Wagon), it was initially designed & built by Knucky truck, but they simply did not have the means to meet the demands of war time production. so the contract was awarded to PACCAR & the Kenworth plant was transformed into a M-26 line.

Pacific truck & trailer manufactured on & off highway trucks & trailers (as the name implies) in Vancouver British Columbia from 1947 (i think) to 1995. This is the brand of trucks featured in this thread. Pacific T&T was owned by others over the years, but was NEVER a part of PACCAR, or any of it subsidiaries. In terms of oil field bed trucks & off highway loggers, Pacific & Kenworth had the strongest rivalry, as did Hayes & Kenworth.

Now as far as finding more of the WWII trucks you are looking for, most went to Europe for the war & very few ever returned. You might try a membership with the MVPA. The Military Vehicle Preservation Association, they have the network & vendor lists to help you in your search for vehicles & parts. http://www.mvpa.org/

Kind regards,
Ap40rocktruck

 

[steveo916]

im a member of some of the military groups online but im more interested in the big stuff. it dosent have the following that jeeps and light military trucks have.

thanks

 

[ap40rocktruck]

im a member of some of the military groups online but im more interested in the big stuff. it dosent have the following that jeeps and light military trucks have.

thanks

You should also look into the ATHS & the HCEA, both have vast archives of literature, photos, parts books, shop manuals and so forth, plus world wide membership in the 10's of thousands.
ATHS- http://www.aths.org/

HCEA- http://www.hcea.net/

Get on the respective forum on these & start networking. I used to be a member of the MVPA, but just did not have the time to dedicate to the cause. They are a great bunch & the annual events are fantastic.

Ap40

 

[HDX]

steveo916 The chain oilers are not showing in the second picture!!! Does the M26 still have the Hall Scott gas engine in her? Exhaust pipe is on the proper side for it Just wondering I have a complete rear assy that has to be dealt with soon--- lots of combat rims. The rims are nice but you only have to break one or two down to soon come to your sense's and go to the tire shop where they will laugh at you! Will take pics of it as soon as time permits and get them posted Your trailer looks VERY NICE.

 

[steveo916]

thanks for the replies.

the second pic is a close up of the first pic. mine does have the oilers and the original hall scott engine.
the exhaust manifold on mine is badly cracked, do you have one of those?
i would be interested in the rear section you have. you are a long ways away though. you wouldn't happen to own a trucking business?

here are a couple more pics of my truck.

steve

 

[wornout wrench]

When I first started my Heavy Duty Apprenticeship MB had several of the "Dragon Wagons" that had been converted to spar carriers. Madill 009's.
The gas engines were gone, replaced with Cummin's 220's I believe.
They took the towers off the wagons and put them onto converted 850 kenworths.
I didn't have much to do with the wagons, just remember that they were funny looking things. They still had the bolt together rims on them. ugggghhhhhhh!

Back to the Pacific thread.

Lemare is in the process of rebuilding another P16, repowered with a Series 60 Detroit.
Looking pretty good.
I'll see if I can get some pictures and post them.

 

[D6 Merv]

Hi Steve
Wynns heavy haulage in the united kingdom had a fleet of M26s all set up for heavy haulage. They all had major modifications over there lifetime but were beautifully presented. a smarter person than me will be able to look them up on the internet. But I have the book written by john wynn and its good and covers a lot of there pacifics and diamond Ts.
Pic I hope of a mack NO pulling native logs in nz. The landrover on the front just gave enough xtra pull to climb the hill in the wet. Log is a native rimu and very dense; something like 300 board feet to our ton 2240lb. log was around 7000 board foot. and one of the biggest logs it pulled was 12000 ft.
original petrol engine only did 3/4 mile per gallon [imp gal] on the steepest bush grades and my grandfather repowered it with a English AEC engine from a valentine tank and it then did about 5mpg.