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Gold Rush Era Building Demo'ed in San Francisco--Clear Case of Demoliton by Neglect

Do you think they should have demo'ed this old building?


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Wolf

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This is an interesting story, because the brother of the demo company's owner was able to get the city to issue a demo permit on one of the oldest buildings in San Francisco--predated the 1906 earthquake--a real survivor that is no more.

It was interesting to watch this story unfold. It looks like a successful case of "demoliton by neglect."

This is a clear case where the owners beat out the tree huggers and leaf lickers. But there's going to be backlash.

What do you guys think about this?


S.F. cottage's demise spurs calls for new rules

The demolition of an 1861 building on Russian Hill is an example of what San Francisco officials say is a serious problem: Hundreds of owners are letting residential properties deteriorate or remain vacant, posing safety hazards, harming historic resources and spurring a drive for new legal powers to force corrections.



As a small group of protesters looked on, a wrecking crew used a backhoe Monday to demolish a cottage that had been listed as a historic resource. The workers left behind a pile of debris and a clear view of Angel Island on the spot where the Victorian had stood on Lombard Street for 148 years.

Dilapidated residences mark the city like festering sores, even in well-off areas. Across the street from the Lombard lot sits another empty Victorian-era home in blatant disrepair. A front window is broken, and missing stairs have left a 20-foot drop from the front door. A few blocks away on Union Street, another empty house has been boarded up. There is no exact tally of the number of vacant or deteriorating homes, but "it is a severe problem," said Debra Walker, a member of the city's Building Inspection Commission and a declared candidate for supervisor in 2010. A building inspection official said there are hundreds of them.

City has little recourse
Although the decay often occurs in plain sight, city officials have little power to intercede. Now Walker is pushing to amend the city's anti-blight ordinance to require owners of houses vacant more than 90 days and commercial properties vacant more than one year to register them with the city, pay an annual fee, and keep the properties clean and secure. Owners also would be required to prominently post contact information on the building.

Building inspectors would receive police training and have new powers to inspect properties and fine owners, said a Building Inspection Department official.

The legislation would require approval by the commission and the Board of Supervisors. Board President David Chiu plans to ask the city attorney's office today to draft the measure, his spokesman said.

The matter took on urgency last week when the imminent demise of the Russian Hill cottage mobilized preservationists.

One of the city's oldest buildings, the two-story residence at 1268 Lombard originally was a one-story Italianate Victorian cottage. A second floor was added, and the home was covered with brown shingles.

In 1945, John B. Molinari, a San Francisco judge who served on the state Supreme Court, bought the property. After his death in 2004, ownership passed to his heirs in a family trust managed by John L. Molinari, a former San Francisco supervisor.

For years the family rented out the house. But as they prepared to remodel it in the late 1990s, engineers told them the foundation was shaky, Molinari said. The family applied for a permit to demolish it, but the city denied it on the ground that house was a historic resource.

Expensive repairs
Faced with the prospect of costly repairs, the family chose to leave the property vacant, though they installed a new roof, Molinari said.

In November 2007, the family sold it for $1.3 million to a partnership of developer Michael Cassidy and James Nunemacher of Vanguard Properties.

Scaffolding and a tarp soon went up.

In March 2008, a neighbor complained to the building department that the cottage was abandoned. "Back of building is open, which is accessible for intruders, etc. Safety concern," the complaint said. In April, city officials ordered Cassidy and Nunemacher to board up the building, city records show, and they did.

Last week, neighbors were surprised when a large orange backhoe parked by the building. It belonged to Granite Excavation & Demolition Inc., whose president is Joe Cassidy, Michael Cassidy's brother.

Pushing preservation
F. Joseph Butler, an architect and member of the Little House Committee, which seeks to preserve the city's small houses, discovered the owners were seeking an emergency permit to demolish the building.

Butler believes the building could have been stabilized and restored. He and his allies were especially concerned because the emergency order would exempt the owners from routine requirements, such as first getting approval for a new construction plan.

But a city engineer agreed that the building was in danger of imminent collapse and last week approved the demolition. On Monday, the demolition crew removed the building's facade for possible future use, and then used the backhoe's steel jaws to crush the cottage like balsa wood.

Several preservationists at the scene said demolition should have been delayed pending an investigation by the city attorney's office into whether the home had been purposefully neglected, an allegation the owners have denied. One protester, Megan Smith, said, "It will be a lot harder to find evidence once this is a vacant lot."

In another dramatic case, a Victorian house at 1160 Page St. had become so dilapidated a few years ago that the ground floor gave way, and the elderly owner relied on painter's scaffolding to get to his kitchen. One day he fell and fatally injured himself, an official said.

Building inspectors learned about the condition of the house only after his death.

The proposed legislation wouldn't necessarily alert officials to any interior problems.

But it would give them more power to intercede to protect occupied or vacant houses that have become eyesores or subjects of complaints, like the Russian Hill cottage.
 

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surfer-joe

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New civilizations are built on the ruins of those that came before. Can't preserve everything you know. Gotta remember too, that a lot of old buildings, especially in Frisco, are death traps by earthquake or fire. They were never built properly, and if they were as old as the one you mention, probably used gas at one time for lighting, then switched to electricity in the early days, which means the wiring is old and ratty, another hazard. It looks like the interior walls were lathe and plaster, a great fire hazard if there ever was one.

So, it looks like I'm on the side of tear them down. Maybe the workers will find a few bucks or some gold nuggets in the walls or crawl space.....
 

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Great operator

By the way, Vince, who tore the house down, is just an awesome operator. He handled the situation with real grace, especially with the protestors screaming at him the whole time. He was a gentleman and very impressive under so much stress.
 

Wolf

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By the way, Vince, who tore the house down, is just an awesome operator. He handled the situation with real grace, especially with the protestors screaming at him the whole time. He was a gentleman and very impressive under so much stress.


Anyone else ever encounter protestors like this on a jobsite.

What happened? How did you handle them?

:naughty


:guns
 

John C.

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I'm with Joe on this one. When we can't make money with an old machine, what happens to it?

I also see an issue with the government agency with control over this project. Basically it looks to me like anything but preservation was never an option in years prior. The building passed out of economic feasibility so was left to rot. As I see it the leaf lickers caused the demise of this landmark.

It seems that just because something is old we need to keep it so our kids can see what we went through. I know my kids really could care less. Their world is different with other concerns to worry about. There are plenty of old houses in Frisco and everywhere else.
 

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Cant save em all, I personally have had a lot of situations just like that, and with removing trees as well. All you can do is act professional and not engage in any arguments. We had a situation like that with a tree removal at the Crocker Art Museum in Old Sacramento last spring with a ton of media coverage and police presence with boundry lines set up for the public and protesters, the news kept saying were going to show in force. And no one came. It was a riot watching the news crews just killing time trying not to look to stupid.
 

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What ever happened to the owners rights. Its my property, I should be able to do what I want with it. If my plan does not include an old building, i shouldnt have to keep it.

The people that complain about places being torn down are the same ones that complain about them being built. I have a friend that is currently waiting for a project to start. At first there were bonding issues with a sub contractor. Now its issues with people wanting to save the site for historical reasons. Its an old radar station, most of the site is concrete block buildings.
 

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While I like a properly preserved antique as much as anyone, I am absolutely against the "taking" of private property by the government either by forcefull means like eminent domain, or by legislative means, like regulating the use of the property, thereby making it worthless to the owner.
If I want a new house on my land, no one but my ability to afford it should be able to stand in the way.
If someone wants to "preserve" the past, then let them buy the property, and pay the upkeep on it. Otherwise, let me improve upon it as I see fit.

I have what I have because I worked hard for it, and to have it torn away by government out of control is akin to a socialist state.

As far as the protestors, let them be, as long as they are off of the property, and outside of the safe zone. If not, the authorities can be called in to remove them. I once had protestors chain themselves to trees to try to prevent the removal of a stand of Eucalyptus trees. I thought it was silly. When all the rest of the trees were gone except the ones they were tied to, and with urging of the local police, they went away peacefully, and we carried on.
They said the trees were there every since they moved in next door, and did not want to loose them so more houses could be built. I bet they did not stop to think there used to be trees where their house was???

I have no desire to reduce our standard of living that we have built over the years so we can go back to "The way it was".
 

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What, and everybody thought that fire hose was just for douching the dust from the house? Come on, what happens to demonstrators everywhere?
 

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If the city wants to help save the old structures they could offer free building permits and engineering services as an incentive to restore them.

Sounds to me like SF wouldn't have an issue with decaying buildings if they would allow more demo permits. These owners are spending a lot of extra money sitting on vacant buildings waiting for enough decay to take place to so a demo permit can be issued. What is the big deal if someone whats to demo a building. I mean it is their building!
 

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Building inspectors would receive police training and have new powers to inspect properties and fine owners, said a Building Inspection Department official.

Why would the building inspector need police training?:eek: If the building inspector runs into a problem with someone during the normal course of business, then the real police are available. It is a scary thought thinking that some of the inspectors I have run across in the business would have that sort of training or worse that sort of power.

I agree with protecting our property rights and as Surferjoe said, civilizations are built on the ruins of the past, always have and always will. It seems the City has created itself a catch 22. Can't tear it down because it's historic regardless of it's condition, so the only option is to restore it. The problem is what if the restoration costs more than the property would be worth when it is completed? Faced with that scenario, the owner really has no choice but to let the property sit, since making the required repairs wouldn't make financial sense. Furthermore they should not be forced by the gov't to spend good many on a bad project.

Eroding of private property rights in our country is disturbing.:(
 

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If the city wants to help save the old structures they could offer free building permits and engineering services as an incentive to restore them.

Sounds to me like SF wouldn't have an issue with decaying buildings if they would allow more demo permits. These owners are spending a lot of extra money sitting on vacant buildings waiting for enough decay to take place to so a demo permit can be issued. What is the big deal if someone whats to demo a building. I mean it is their building!

That's a good point. If the city would just issue the demo permits more easily, the owners wouldn't have to wait until the buildings were ready to fall down and then go in for emergency permits.
 

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Sounds like 1984 in a way, people can't do what they want and the protesters doing their "two minute hate" Honestly if this country keeps going the way it is I'm moving. I can understand wanting to preserve some older types of building IF they are historically signifigant or are in some other way unique (architecture or use. something like that). Why do they want to keep old unsafe fire hazards that cost too much to maintain ( which is why they are being torn down). If they want to keep the building and if the city is that bothered by it why don't the city pay for it? or the protesters? If they want to keep it let 'em pay. if they don't want to pay bring it down.
 

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What else do you expect from an overpriced dysfunctional city like San Francisco. The same thing has happened here since the 80's. Some formerly middle-class or poor area becomes valuable and some idiot buys it for development. One by one the old places are demolished and residents get fed up and enact all kinds of historical preservation rules. The problem is that properties are too expensive for people who would like to rehabilitate and use them. A better alternative is to allow a release of liability for property owners and let anyone who can do it take whatever the owner(s) do not want before demolition occurs. Generally an old. unsafe building contains lots of things the neighbors might want or preservationists can collect. Another incentive would be to cancel property taxes for owners who do restore. Since most new construction lacks the quality finish of older construction it is always worth recycling instead of trashing. Anyway if someone wants to demo a house it's easy to just start a fire and have demolition by combustion.
 

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Anyway if someone wants to demo a house it's easy to just start a fire and have demolition by combustion.

Demolition by combustion---that doesn't work too good in the city and with the DA prosecuting for arson, but it's a fun idea. That's one way to get rid of these crappy old buildings that shoudl be demo'ed.
 

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In my area we occasionally have buildings donated to the fire dept. for training. We set several controlled fires in the buildings and do search and rescue, and extinguish them. After the last scenario, the building is left to burn to the ground. It's amazing how fast a building will burn if no effort to extinguish is made. I've seen a large colonial farmhouse go in less than hour to nothing but smoldering embers.
 

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In my area we occasionally have buildings donated to the fire dept. for training. We set several controlled fires in the buildings and do search and rescue, and extinguish them. After the last scenario, the building is left to burn to the ground. It's amazing how fast a building will burn if no effort to extinguish is made. I've seen a large colonial farmhouse go in less than hour to nothing but smoldering embers.

That's a really cool idea, and it puts the building to good use one final time in order for the firemen to practice. Sounds like fun.
 

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WOW that explosion was crazy! Why would a fire department need to use an accelerant to do a test burn? Most homes are made of wood, a dangerous flammable material equal to hundreds of gallons of gasoline. I did a shed demo with a friend way out in the boondocks using propane and that was an insane explosion! His mother wanted to burn it down, but the rats and bugs were so bad that nobody would go in there. Fortunately we used extension cords and a neon transformer to trigger it from 200 feet away. Then again, my own shed caught fire from a faulty lawnmower but being built by me, there was no serious damage. Concrete roof is the way to go!

In the 80's I saw several crack houses burn down. The rumor was that the neighbors did it, but since no fuel was used, no charges could ever be brought. Probably just those crack addicts setting trash on fire.
 
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