Per Eriksson
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a must see for dozer operators!!!
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farm_boy
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I beg to differ here.....This line of thinking might hold true for the 3508. It is in fact a 35L (actually 34.5L) and is an 8 cylinder, but this is not true for other Cat engines. If this was the case 3406 and 3408 would both be a 34L engines? The 3406 is a 14.6L I6 and the 3408 is an 18L V8.
N.CarolinaDozer
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NICE Dozer! :notworthy I wish our company bought some, but the biggest dozers they buy are D9's. It's my dream to run a D11 some day.
Lashlander
Senior Member
The 3500 is the series. 3508 is a 3500 series engine with 8 cylinders. 3512= 12 cylinders. 3406 is 3400 series with 6 cylinders on and on.
RollOver Pete
Senior Member
Hmmmm..
So a 1693 or a D342 would mean what?
So a 1693 or a D342 would mean what?
farm_boy
Senior Member
Was there ever a rhyme or reason for the nominclature of the engines? What did the 3400, 3500 series engines stand for....anything?:beatsme Just currious.
bigpete
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I agree Dozerboy, a job change or maybe i will start hideing the old 155AX behind a stockpile down the back of the job someplace.Dont they look grand new,
RollOver Pete
Senior Member
Welcome to HEF bigpete :drinkup
Lashlander
Senior Member
Hmmmm..
So a 1693 or a D342 would mean what?
Hmmm, Don't know. The number system has changed though the years. A 399 was a 300 series engine with 16 cylinders. A 398 had 12 and a 379 had 8. I think all the parts interchanged except the cam, crank and block. The heads covered two cylinders so on the bigger engines there was just more of them. Wheres Tiger or Surfer Joe?
mitchell2905
Well-Known Member
My bad, it just seemed like that made sence to me.:beatsme
D11t
The recently announced D11T is not the one in these pictures. These are of a D11T that I have had literature for over a year but was it never built. The recently announced D11T has a C32 Acert 12 cylinder 31.5 liter engine , replacing the 3508 8 cylinder 34 liter engine used in all previous D11s. There is more black on the recently announced D11T and the Cat and D11T decals have switched their positions on the side of the tractor. The information that I have shows that the weight of the recently announced D11T is the same as the D11R, but the C32 engine is about 5000 pounds lighter than the 3508, so there must be a beefing up of many other components in the recently announced D11T?
I heard that the 11T was gonna be postphoned as well until they could get the new Teir III engine for it... something like a C17
-Jim
The recently announced D11T is not the one in these pictures. These are of a D11T that I have had literature for over a year but was it never built. The recently announced D11T has a C32 Acert 12 cylinder 31.5 liter engine , replacing the 3508 8 cylinder 34 liter engine used in all previous D11s. There is more black on the recently announced D11T and the Cat and D11T decals have switched their positions on the side of the tractor. The information that I have shows that the weight of the recently announced D11T is the same as the D11R, but the C32 engine is about 5000 pounds lighter than the 3508, so there must be a beefing up of many other components in the recently announced D11T?
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D11t
To the best of my knowledge, All D11 tractors have always had dual stacks, but you are correct about the IH guys, I remember the IH TD18 and 24's having them, always thought it was a nice feature,of course they were inline stacks being powered by inline 6 cylinder engines with a dual exhaust manifolds.
I do not agree that Caterpillar is having a hard time with the new emission engines. The new 2007 Cat Acert engines have been an real success story. Unlike the other makes of engines that use cooled EGR that pollutes the engine oil and causes high underhood temperatures, the cat 2007 Acert engines have been virtually trouble free. The large fleets that started using the 2007 Cat Acert engines have also reported better mileage than comparable engines from the other manufacturers. Unlike the cooled EGR systen add on ,used by the other manufacturers , the Cat engines are emgineered correctly for reduced emissions .
To the best of my knowledge, All D11 tractors have always had dual stacks, but you are correct about the IH guys, I remember the IH TD18 and 24's having them, always thought it was a nice feature,of course they were inline stacks being powered by inline 6 cylinder engines with a dual exhaust manifolds.
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Caterpillar Engine model numbers
Yes, the numbers that Cat has used for it's many series of engines over the years keeps changing. Now it seems that the "C " prefex is being used .
Examples :
C6.6 C7, C9 ,C11 , c13 , c15, c18 (6 cylinder engines) c27 , c32 (12 cylinder engines) the number is roughly the size of the engines in liters.
The C175 and C280 is the bore size in millimeters , these numbers are followed by another number designating the number of cylinders. example
C175-12 has 12 cylinders. C280-16 has 16 cylinders .
However , in the past Caterpillar used such numbers as: D13000 and D17000 .
The D probably stands for Diesel, the 13000 and 17000, I have no idea what those mean. The D13000 was used in D8 tractors before being replaced by the D342. The D17000 is an interesting engine because it was the first Cat diesel engine that was not designed for and used in any Caterpillar machine.
It was Caterpillar's first V8 engine. It had a 5.75 inch bore and a 8 inch stroke, had individual cylinder heads for each cylinder and developed 160-200 horsepower at 800-1000 RPM.
Yes, the numbers that Cat has used for it's many series of engines over the years keeps changing. Now it seems that the "C " prefex is being used .
Examples :
C6.6 C7, C9 ,C11 , c13 , c15, c18 (6 cylinder engines) c27 , c32 (12 cylinder engines) the number is roughly the size of the engines in liters.
The C175 and C280 is the bore size in millimeters , these numbers are followed by another number designating the number of cylinders. example
C175-12 has 12 cylinders. C280-16 has 16 cylinders .
However , in the past Caterpillar used such numbers as: D13000 and D17000 .
The D probably stands for Diesel, the 13000 and 17000, I have no idea what those mean. The D13000 was used in D8 tractors before being replaced by the D342. The D17000 is an interesting engine because it was the first Cat diesel engine that was not designed for and used in any Caterpillar machine.
It was Caterpillar's first V8 engine. It had a 5.75 inch bore and a 8 inch stroke, had individual cylinder heads for each cylinder and developed 160-200 horsepower at 800-1000 RPM.
RollOver Pete
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dieseldave
Senior Member
The 17000, 13000, 8800, etc #'s are the hp followed by 00. Ie, the 17000 = 170hp, 13000= 130hp, 8800= 88hp, etc
D17000 etc
Hi RollOverPete,
Yes, that is a D17000, thanks for the picture.
Hi Dieseldave,
I would say that you are correct that the horsepower with OO added, is how Caterpillar named these engines, probably the horsepower rating of the early production engines, later versions had higher ratings. Learn something every day. Thanks for that infomation.
Royce
Hi RollOverPete,
Yes, that is a D17000, thanks for the picture.
Hi Dieseldave,
I would say that you are correct that the horsepower with OO added, is how Caterpillar named these engines, probably the horsepower rating of the early production engines, later versions had higher ratings. Learn something every day. Thanks for that infomation.
Royce
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RollOver Pete
Senior Member
Many years ago as a teenager, I got hooked up with a contractor who was the one responsible for bringing me into this business.
He gave a kid a chance and I ran with it.
He did mostly demo jobs and had a 977L, two 980's, 988, 46A and the infamous 2U.
While in Jr. High, I worked with him after school, weekends, basically any chance I could.
This old man also helped me get my CDL in 1983.
I was 16 at the time and was making $15.00 hr.
One of the 980's I ran back then had a 3306 and rippers.
The other 980 which I assumed was the older of the two had a turbo charged Caterpillar V8.
I remember the valve covers seemed huge...almost sticking out past the panels.
I've never seen or heard another Cat 980 like this one.
It had a sound unique to the V8 Cat motor.
Almost a kind of whine which was much different than a turbo sound or the sound of the 3408T.
Would anyone here know or be familiar with the V8 that might have been in that 980?
I never knew where that old 980 went or what happened to it.
I'd like to know more about the V8 that powered it.
A bit off topic now.....bare with me....
I was pretty lucky as a kid.
Guess I was at the right place at the right time.
There were still good people around who would take the time to teach a kid the ropes.
Today, something like this would be unheard of.
Law suits were the last thing on anyones mind back then.
Today, they are a every day occurrence.
Those two old timers from Illinois have since passed long ago.
I still think about them and what they taught me just about every day.
Like I said, they brought me into this business.
They taught me how to do demo and move dirt.
They showed me how to care for your equipment and turn wrenches.
They are the reason I became an Operating Engineer.
I owe much of what I know and have become to those old 980's, that awesome 46A, the huge 988 and 977L with a 4 in 1.
But mostly I owe Richard Henderson, Elmer Drapper and that old 2U I ran in Palm Desert back in the summer of 79.
Thanks guys :drinkup
He gave a kid a chance and I ran with it.
He did mostly demo jobs and had a 977L, two 980's, 988, 46A and the infamous 2U.
While in Jr. High, I worked with him after school, weekends, basically any chance I could.
This old man also helped me get my CDL in 1983.
I was 16 at the time and was making $15.00 hr.
One of the 980's I ran back then had a 3306 and rippers.
The other 980 which I assumed was the older of the two had a turbo charged Caterpillar V8.
I remember the valve covers seemed huge...almost sticking out past the panels.
I've never seen or heard another Cat 980 like this one.
It had a sound unique to the V8 Cat motor.
Almost a kind of whine which was much different than a turbo sound or the sound of the 3408T.
Would anyone here know or be familiar with the V8 that might have been in that 980?
I never knew where that old 980 went or what happened to it.
I'd like to know more about the V8 that powered it.
A bit off topic now.....bare with me....
I was pretty lucky as a kid.
Guess I was at the right place at the right time.
There were still good people around who would take the time to teach a kid the ropes.
Today, something like this would be unheard of.
Law suits were the last thing on anyones mind back then.
Today, they are a every day occurrence.
Those two old timers from Illinois have since passed long ago.
I still think about them and what they taught me just about every day.
Like I said, they brought me into this business.
They taught me how to do demo and move dirt.
They showed me how to care for your equipment and turn wrenches.
They are the reason I became an Operating Engineer.
I owe much of what I know and have become to those old 980's, that awesome 46A, the huge 988 and 977L with a 4 in 1.
But mostly I owe Richard Henderson, Elmer Drapper and that old 2U I ran in Palm Desert back in the summer of 79.
Thanks guys :drinkup
RollOver Pete
Senior Member
Oh yeah....
Another thing I remember about that 980 was that it had a f-r selector on the steering column like todays machines.
The difference was that you didn't twist it to change gears like on newer loaders.
To change gears 1-3, there was a lever that came up on the left side of the operators seat.
This may have been one of the first 980's made by Cat.
Another thing I remember about that 980 was that it had a f-r selector on the steering column like todays machines.
The difference was that you didn't twist it to change gears like on newer loaders.
To change gears 1-3, there was a lever that came up on the left side of the operators seat.
This may have been one of the first 980's made by Cat.
Deas Plant
Senior Member
Cat 980's with V8 'donk'.
Hi, RollOverPete.
2 VERY good posts. Thank you for sharing. Like you, I owe some people in my past a debt - which I hope I am repaying by teaching others my craft and helping others whom I can't meet face to face with information in forums such as this.
My thanks go specifically to George Walmsley who, in Feb., 1965, gave me a start as a learner operator on a 3T D7 with a cable angle blade, Brian Bairstowe for his efforts in teaching me some of the tricks of the trade with that D7, some of which I still use today, and to 'Richard' (The site language censor won't let me post the abreviated form of 'Richard'. It seems to think I am referring crudely to a male genital organ.) Archer for giving me a run on a powershift Cat D9G (God, it was a BIG machine - then.) later in 1965, which stood me in good stead when I applied for the next job after that one, 'cos up till then, I had only run stick-shifts.
That old 980 with the V8 had the same 'donk' as the first 621 elevator scrapers, the J621's. I couldn't tell you the motor series but I'd be surprised if there isn't someone here who can. I ran one for a while in a quarry in Perth, Western Australia. I thought it worked well and gave very little trouble. It certainly had plenty of grunt and it did have its own unique exhaust note. I spent most of my time on it loading 2 x 30 ton Euclid dump trucks at the quarry face. I enjoyed it.
Like you, I also spent a bit of time on those old 46A's and really learned to know them and what they could do. I also spent a bit of time on 66A and 77V D9's and learned to appreciate them too. I've run a couple of 977's, K's and L's, and liked them too. I ran a couple of 988A's before I ran the 980A and a couple after it and I have to say I couldn't choose one over the other as far as operating was concerned. I didn't get to run it but I did work alongside a later 980 with the 3306 'donk' and it seemed to go well too.
Thanks for the memories.
Hi, RollOverPete.
2 VERY good posts. Thank you for sharing. Like you, I owe some people in my past a debt - which I hope I am repaying by teaching others my craft and helping others whom I can't meet face to face with information in forums such as this.
My thanks go specifically to George Walmsley who, in Feb., 1965, gave me a start as a learner operator on a 3T D7 with a cable angle blade, Brian Bairstowe for his efforts in teaching me some of the tricks of the trade with that D7, some of which I still use today, and to 'Richard' (The site language censor won't let me post the abreviated form of 'Richard'. It seems to think I am referring crudely to a male genital organ.) Archer for giving me a run on a powershift Cat D9G (God, it was a BIG machine - then.) later in 1965, which stood me in good stead when I applied for the next job after that one, 'cos up till then, I had only run stick-shifts.
That old 980 with the V8 had the same 'donk' as the first 621 elevator scrapers, the J621's. I couldn't tell you the motor series but I'd be surprised if there isn't someone here who can. I ran one for a while in a quarry in Perth, Western Australia. I thought it worked well and gave very little trouble. It certainly had plenty of grunt and it did have its own unique exhaust note. I spent most of my time on it loading 2 x 30 ton Euclid dump trucks at the quarry face. I enjoyed it.
Like you, I also spent a bit of time on those old 46A's and really learned to know them and what they could do. I also spent a bit of time on 66A and 77V D9's and learned to appreciate them too. I've run a couple of 977's, K's and L's, and liked them too. I ran a couple of 988A's before I ran the 980A and a couple after it and I have to say I couldn't choose one over the other as far as operating was concerned. I didn't get to run it but I did work alongside a later 980 with the 3306 'donk' and it seemed to go well too.
Thanks for the memories.
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