heymccall
Senior Member
Sorry if posted before. I didn't see it.
https://www.equipmentworld.com/vint...4ZB18G7eJ7BWj-OrKvzHjRUjevtiMgCurV4X6h5W6lcUk
https://www.equipmentworld.com/vint...4ZB18G7eJ7BWj-OrKvzHjRUjevtiMgCurV4X6h5W6lcUk
The article mentions the D10s required more disassembly to transport than the D9L. You are probably right.That's a good article about some vintage iron. Good to see contractors still using them.
I wonder why after all that they didn't convert the track frames over to the D10N/R style as many did to avoid the high track wear on the D9L's that I've heard about. Maybe that changes the width of the dozer and that's why they like the D9L over the D10N/R/T?
They knew it was there, everyone who has ever looked up parts for almost any older cat machine has seen it. They just had zero interest in giving cat the amount of money that they want for that conversion, and at this point any money for a new machine. When we get new machines they are usually a different shade of yellow lol.It's kinda interesting that a Cat document has existed for probably 20 years for repowering a D9L...... "This Special Instruction provides the procedure in order to repower a D9L Track-Type Tractor. The replacement engine will be a Tier I level 3412E engine." I notice the link says they spent "hours of research" on SIS. I found it in signficantly less time than that, probably less than a minute.
I wonder why after all that they didn't convert the track frames over to the D10N/R style as many did to avoid the high track wear on the D9L's that I've heard about. Maybe that changes the width of the dozer and that's why they like the D9L over the D10N/R/T?
The purpose of the document is to provide the information to anyone who wants to do the conversion themselves. There is no requirement or obligation to pay the Cat dealer to do the work.They knew it was there, everyone who has ever looked up parts for almost any older cat machine has seen it. They just had zero interest in giving cat the amount of money that they want for that conversion....
That’s a good point you’ve madeWhat is not counted in that 450K?
I've been part of many total rebuilds from TD9 Internationals to D375 Komatsu, D8 and D9 Cats, and WA600 wheel loaders. A total rebuild never runs 1/3 the cost of new and they never last more than 65% of operational time that a new machine runs. Many costs are not counted. A lot of bragging on labor costs never include the loaded actual costs of labor. Are freight costs included? How about administrative costs? Someone has to pay for that shop space, the miscellaneous costs like rags, solvent tanks, blocking and lifting equipment and so on. How is insurance accounted for in those figures? You have industrial and casualty numbers that fit in somewhere.
When all is said and done the owner with his own staff and facilities is lucky to do the job for less than two thirds the cost of new, with no warranty provisions and slightly more than fifty percent operating time before another rebuild is necessary. The cost per hour is usually worse for the owner than on a new machine. The final thought is few if any banks are willing to finance that rebuild as well. How many companies would put out that amount of cash on their own?
What is not counted in that 450K?
I've been part of many total rebuilds from TD9 Internationals to D375 Komatsu, D8 and D9 Cats, and WA600 wheel loaders. A total rebuild never runs 1/3 the cost of new and they never last more than 65% of operational time that a new machine runs. Many costs are not counted. A lot of bragging on labor costs never include the loaded actual costs of labor. Are freight costs included? How about administrative costs? Someone has to pay for that shop space, the miscellaneous costs like rags, solvent tanks, blocking and lifting equipment and so on. How is insurance accounted for in those figures? You have industrial and casualty numbers that fit in somewhere.
When all is said and done the owner with his own staff and facilities is lucky to do the job for less than two thirds the cost of new, with no warranty provisions and slightly more than fifty percent operating time before another rebuild is necessary. The cost per hour is usually worse for the owner than on a new machine. The final thought is few if any banks are willing to finance that rebuild as well. How many companies would put out that amount of cash on their own?