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pushbroom

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I use a wide roll of painters tape to cover openings. Its bright green and leaves no residue.
I still triple check all passageways before I install something. Had 2 techs at our shop this year leave a plastic plug in a main oil passage and a turbo drain line.
 

Vetech63

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Some of the battle is she doesn't understand much more than the basics [had to explain what a cylinder and piston were recently)
So a woman, that has no clue about anything mechanical, hydraulic, or electrical, is the boss over techs production rates and efficiencies!? RED FLAG:confused: How can ANY boss be proficient at that job not knowing what it takes to perform it? Good luck with that!
 

funwithfuel

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For sure … (tenwheeler was joking) Here's the details of Phosgene gas created by heating brake cleaner fumes. Fumes +welding arc = Phosgene. THE STUFF IS NOT FLAMMABLE but breaks down into Phosgene gas with heat. :eek:https://envirofluid.com/articles/tetrachloroethylene-a-deadly-danger-in-brake-cleaner/
I know he was kidding, I just like to sneak in safety moments, especially with young'uns . Some folks may never know unless told. It might stick, might not. Hope it does.
 

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I don't know how many places I have worked-fired twice and quit the rest. Everyone of those employers after the fact wished I was still there. Never been unemployed longer than a week.
Where I'm at now for the last 16 years the owner admitted he wishes I was 45 not in my 60's. Plus the fact he knows he can't replace me without hiring two people to replace me, and even
then he would be screwed. Truthfully the owner of the company I work for now is about the only employer I have worked for that isn't A$$ wipe.
 

kshansen

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So a woman, that has no clue about anything mechanical, hydraulic, or electrical, is the boss over techs production rates and efficiencies!? RED FLAG:confused: How can ANY boss be proficient at that job not knowing what it takes to perform it? Good luck with that!
I'm sure this was not meant to say just because it was a woman that is the problem. But I always had a problem with anyplace that puts a wall up between the person bringing in something with a problem and the person who is going to be expected to work on it. Not sure what the real solution would be to that.
 

walkerv

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I'm sure this was not meant to say just because it was a woman that is the problem. But I always had a problem with anyplace that puts a wall up between the person bringing in something with a problem and the person who is going to be expected to work on it. Not sure what the real solution would be to that.
Only solution to that that i know of that works is service writer is a former tech in the field be it semi retired or wants to quit wrenching .
 

John C.

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It's always been and issue with me about someone in fancy clothes, shiny shoes and no experience coming in to run any kind of operation involving dirt, oil, grease and skilled labor. Administration and management has no idea what it takes in time and skill to perform a task and yet they are bidding, estimating or guaranteeing costs. When the bad things start happening they blame the skilled labor!
 

kshansen

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It's always been and issue with me about someone in fancy clothes, shiny shoes and no experience coming in to run any kind of operation involving dirt, oil, grease and skilled labor. Administration and management has no idea what it takes in time and skill to perform a task and yet they are bidding, estimating or guaranteeing costs. When the bad things start happening they blame the skilled labor!

Very true! Had a upper level management guy in the company who started out as an office clerk. Don't know if he ever touched a shovel or grease gun in his life. When he was put in charge of the state for the company at his first meeting with us at the quarry he made it clear where he stood.

His main statement was: "I don't know anything about making stone, but I know how to make money!" Problem is his main theory on how to make money was to not spend money. Eliminate workers and stop training those that are left and tell them things like "I thought you were a mechanic!"

Did not matter that the last real training anyone of us had was before Cat installed the first ECM in a loader and even a diode was an unusual component to find in a wiring schematic. And when he finally decided to get set up with a laptop with Cat ET on it he expected to have one to be shared by all of the quarries across the state. Almost as smart as having one grease gun for the whole state!
 

John Canfield

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I've been on both sides of the desk with a major corporation. I was a tech that worked on electro/electronic-mechanical comm equipment for seven years. I went to school at night and got an Associate's degree in business management and wound up being the lead technician. Not tooting my horn but I was very good at what I did. Management selected me to go to through a one day management assessment ordeal (role playing, etc.) and I guess I did okay because I was promoted from hourly to 1st level management.

I had to move (it was the policy) and I was thrown into the fire supervising my first crew. It was a real struggle and extremely stressful, I would be at my desk at 0630 hours to organize work for the crew and I would stay until the last guy came in (usually 1800-1900 hours.) Saturdays I spent at least half a day at my desk catching up on paperwork. The company sent me to various schools which helped me learn how to be an effective manager.

I had zero control over the work that came in to my crew, every morning was a new adventure and my boss expected everything to be completed on the due date. No excuses which added to my stress level but I persevered and got another crew a few months later that had older and more experienced guys. It was a good bunch and we had a good working relationship. I respected them and they knew what I expected - quality work done by the book except in very unusual circumstances. I had to inspect every guy's field work twice a month and if something wasn't done right I would show them the problem.

My guys were union represented which was never a big issue for them (and the shop steward) or me. I treated them as I would like to be treated and that was that mostly. Once in a while I would have a guy that would not or could not go with the flow for various reasons. I always made sure we didn't have a training or personal issue which impacted their work. I had one guy that was a good dependable troop and all of a sudden he starts to get argumentative and didn't perform to expectations. Long story short he had a brain tumor (he was in his 40s) and went on disability. Every two weeks I had to take his paycheck to his house (company policy when on disability) and I watched him slowly decline. It one of the most difficult things I've ever had to do.

In every crew (anywhere from 8 to 12 people) I had, I always had one person that took up 80% of my supervision time. One guy had such a poor persona I made a job for him where he didn't come into contact with any customers - no telling how much damage this guy did before I sequestered him. He really should have been fired but that would have been a long struggle for me, the crew and my boss.

Ultimately I got out of having direct reports and got a staff job and moved again (for the third time), more night school finishing up my Bachelor's and then a Master's degree. Another promotion. A good career but I paid my dues.

Are there lousy managers out there - of course. Just because you are good being a tech or mechanic doesn't mean you have the skill set or capability to be a leader.
 

kshansen

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Are there lousy managers out there - of course. Just because you are good being a tech or mechanic doesn't mean you have the skill set or capability to be a leader.

That last bit says it all for me and is a major problem that seems common in many places.

I do recall one day one of my bosses talking to me suggesting that he wanted to see about promoting me to the working group leader as they called it at the shop.

Basically I would still be doing my job which was primarily one of two men who did 95% of the engine, transmission and component repairs for the machines in the shop for repairs but in addition I would be overseeing the work of the other six or eight guys in the shop.

I told him thanks but no thanks. I said I'd much rather just do my job and if I screwed up had no problem taking responsibility for my mistakes but I did not want to be spending my time trying to explain why Fred or Tom screwed up. Besides the pay differential was at the most $0.25 an hour! He did say he understood and I was still there doing my job long after he retired!
 

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The previous owner of the trucking company I work for now Once said {Anybody who can carry a bucket of water can install brake shoes}.

My reply {Just because you can operate a pencil sharpener doesn't make you a business man}. The problem with business owners and management is the team player crap.
I go to work because I like my job and earn a paycheck. I manage/supervise the shop and do most of the major repairs. I don't fraternize with the office help or the owner,
I don't go to Christmas parties, or company picnics and the like. I have drivers that don't like me very well because I call them on their BS. When Freightliner Corp-sters
show up I don't cut them any slack. But in the shop I spend most of my time being a Farside Comedian and when they laugh I always say {I made you laugh today}.

I like to say to people who wear business clothes and all dressed up.--Get a haircut and get a real job why can't you be like your big brother BOB. From George Thorogood.
And I really have a big brother named Bob
 

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Some of the battle is she doesn't understand much more than the basics [had to explain what a cylinder and piston were recently) so billing much more than the basics often results in errors. I guess I will just stick to the one and done method and if another job opportunity comes along I will look into it.
What the hell kind of dealership puts that sort of person in a SERVICE MANAGER position? Are they attempting to combine the H.R. and service manager position? Wow.
 

John C.

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Most dealerships like big talkers who feign wrench time. One I worked for said he completed an apprenticeship and then got a business degree. The guy couldn't tell you the difference between a sewing needle and a Detroit injector timing tool. Anyway they get put in the job bragging about how much money they will make the company and they only get paid about half to three quarters of what a good field wrench makes. Upper management will keep them there a year or two when the new manager figures out he isn't making the kind of money the job deserves and makes a pitch for more. Now his books get reviewed and another loud mouth gets a crack at the now vacant position. It's been that way for the last twenty years around here.
 

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After 46 years of this business and dealing with service managers I have only dealt with two that I felt were honest. The prerequisite is to be the best BS artist and flat out lie
with a straight face to fill the service writer requirements. When it comes to a warranty situation nearing the limits of years and mileage they will work their a$$ off to
shove it off or band aid it til time passes. Mr. Milk Toast honest looking service manager {the pit viper Monday through Friday and goes to church on Sunday}.
 

kshansen

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Mr. Milk Toast honest looking service manager {the pit viper Monday through Friday and goes to church on Sunday}.

A bit OT but the comment about the "pit viper" going to church. Struck a nerve with me, one day many years ago I had some Craftsman tools to take in for warranty. At least back then most stores near here never gave you a problem exchanging them.

Well this one time on a Saturday I stopped at the store in the city and handed the tools to the guy in tool department. He started giving me a hard time saying I abused them and then he felt the need to say "I feel I'm justified in telling you this because I just came from church!" I did not know up to that point that Sears was a branch of any church!

I told him fine just give them back and I'll leave! He said "No I'll replace them but just wanted you to know how I felt."

Praise the Lord and pass the ratchet!
 

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Just an update. They hired a new kid and an intern who are getting preferential treatment bad enough for other techs to approach me about it. I had an engine that I buttoned up and found a driveline issue on that would cause a problem. I notified the foreman the manager and took pictures on my phone of the story I wrote documenting it. Left to go to the dmv over lunch and tractor was gone when I got back, manager delivered it to the customer and promised she told them about it. I got pulled in the office and sent home suspended without pay until Tuesday when I am supposedly having a meeting with managers and hr. The good news is I had alot of free time today to visit other shops and pickup applications. Got suspended because that driveline let go and caused havoc. Of course the manager is playing dumb about it
 

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Take that phone and documentation with you, they get frisky let them know the address for the NLRB if they choose to be stupid as to placing blame. They OWE you pay for an undeserved suspension.

Make copies of the photos and documents. Keep in a secure place. A reminder is needed sometimes to get some folks to do the right thing. I once got a day's pay for 30 minutes when I reminded them I was a salaried employee. You may get several days worth of pay.
 
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