My 580B Resurrection......

thepumpguysc · Dec 12, 2018

Hold the phone fellas..
U say the wires look original??
MAYBE, JUST MAYBE that's an indication u don't have what u think u have.??
I looked back/scanned thru the thread & didn't see where u posted any inj. pump #'s..
Get the top line #'s off the nameplate on the pump.. I can run'm & see whatcha got..
"WE" should do that before u go ordering any "major" parts..

Cbait580b · Dec 12, 2018

Stupid question?. How will the inj pump # tell anything about the wiring harness. It's looking like a mechanical water temp gauge is what I'm going to be with because of costs. Sets of gauges are cheaper.
The pump # is DBGFCC 431-40AJ
Model 1853714
Tractor #580BCK. 8750502

thepumpguysc · Dec 12, 2018

Because, if the "wires" don't match the book & u think they're original.. Theres a chance ur not working on what u think ur working on..
HENCE>> the 40AJ pump goes on a>> 530 Wheel Tractor w/ a G188D engine.. {BAM}
Wrong book, maybe??

Cbait580b · Dec 12, 2018

Every serial number on the thing shows 580b. And it's an Case manual.. Not a reprint. Someone may have put a dif pump on it after all its 40+ yrs old.. Other than the broken temp wire and the 1 wire alt.. It all looks original.

Cbait580b · Dec 12, 2018

How do I upload pics from my phone

Tinkerer · Dec 12, 2018

Tractor #580BCK. 8750502
That is a 1974 year of mfg.
The book is correct. Your harness is not the one that was made for a 580B. It may have been substituted with one designed for a different tractor.
I can't help you with phone photos. I only do mine from one of my laptop pc's.

Cbait580b · Dec 12, 2018

That would make sense.. It's a very old harness..been in it for a long time. I'd posts some pics if I knew how.. Asking for a url address..not tech savy

Cbait580b · Dec 12, 2018

Ok.. I'll download pics into laptop..but it sounds like it's been figured out. I knew something wasn't right.. I have seen "basic" diagrams used as a reference to cover several applications b4.. Thanks for the help..that tells me to go ahead with a mechanical temp gauge.

thepumpguysc · Dec 12, 2018

Yeah, that pump swappin crap happens all the time.. they "look" the same & bolt-up..
Theres a whole series of pumps that get swapped.. 580B w/ shuttle, 530's, 580B w/ mechanical and on & on..
I just want to help if I could.. AND it made sense given the pump #..?? But your prob. right.
Just for kicks I'll check the fuel settings.. see which 1 is higher.

thepumpguysc · Dec 12, 2018

BTW> do u KNOW which engine your working with>> 188 or 207..??

Cbait580b · Dec 12, 2018

It's a 188

Cbait580b · Dec 12, 2018

Since it looks like the harness has been swapped for who knows what I picked up a mechanical water temp gauge. No one had a key switch that would work so I'll get that, the fuse holder and the headlight switch from tractor stuff.
Pumpguy.. I hate to use pliers on the set screw for the shut off cable. Since we now know what pump is on it what size is the nut?? I tried a 1/4" wrench ..its too big...

thepumpguysc · Dec 12, 2018

hahaha.. I don't know.. I use pliers..
Like I said.. its not real tight..

Cbait580b · Dec 14, 2018

Ordered a key switch and a fuse holder from tractor stuff Tues, ought to have them Sat. They should get the thing starting on it's own. Hoping I get call the other trans and rear end is here. Get the new temp gauge installed, fire it back up and check system voltage, hope it's charging...

Cbait580b · Dec 18, 2018

After several days without time to tinker I got some time today. The new key switch and fuse holder arrived from TStuff, got them and a new light switch installed(no lights yet). The 580b now cranks and starts like it should. I also installed a new mechanical temp gauge so the dash is just about done for now.
The guy who has the replacement trans and rear end just about has it ready to deliver. Next big chore is to clean out the garage so the 580b can be rolled in and disassembled. I think that is going to be the worst part of the whole resurrection....cleaning....Yuck.

thepumpguysc · Dec 18, 2018

Sounds like your well on your way.. good luck.
1 little trick that might help keep the mess down is get yerself a bunch of CARDBOARD.. & lay it out & underneath the machine.. some thick old cardboard boxes opened up will soak up all the oil & make getting the dirt up alittle {to a lot} easier..
Have fun..

Cbait580b · Dec 19, 2018

I meant cleaning out the garage...LOL. The tractor will get a serious power wash b4 it goes in. Yes on the cardboard. 13 yo garage has never had a car in it..just stuff from building the house.

thepumpguysc · Dec 19, 2018

That 1st big puddle IS gonna sting a little bit.. lol

Glen Weldon · Dec 19, 2018

thepumpguysc said:
That 1st big puddle IS gonna sting a little bit.. lol

Thumbs up with this! After a while you just put floor dry on it and think "oh-well"...

Cbait580b · Dec 21, 2018

Ok....... I guess I didn't ask quite all the right questions to the CK owner.. His is a true shuttle, it has the dump valve on the "clutch" pedal. So.... I'm guessing I can use the final drive or just the parts out of it to fix my 8 speed shuttle.. Dang it I forgot to check for flanged or keyed axles. I knew this was going along to well..........

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