Would You Haul it ??

muzy · Sep 4, 2010

RE. portable scale. It has been my expereance when I was weighed with them the officer asked if I wanted to contest the weight. And gave me the option to do so. If I wanted to challange them then we would go to a inspection site and reweigh. Other wise the ticket would stand. I was over gross and knew it. I was ticketed and alowed to proced. muzy

JDOFMEMI · Sep 5, 2010

DeereHauler

I like your custom grab hooks you are using on the machine.

Did you make them or buy them?

95zIV · Sep 5, 2010

JDOFMEMI said:
DeereHauler

I like your custom grab hooks you are using on the machine.

Did you make them or buy them?

Here's something like what I see in the picture.

http://www.awdirect.com/t-grab-hook-spd2/hooks/

JDOFMEMI · Sep 5, 2010

95zIV

What you posted is a very light duty tie down hook. I would not use it for anything much bigger than a compact car. Notice it is only grade 40, which is basically junk, IMO

I was referring to a heavy hook to grab into a frame hole or such on equipment, with a chain grab hook on the end.

Most all of my tie down chains are grade 100, with some grade 80. I do not even like to use grade 70. On big iron, it is barely better than nothing.

Stevenbrla · Sep 5, 2010

If I dare enter into this discussion, of which I have NO expertise... but have wondered this question, in securing my own little loads.... nothing as big as the equipment in this discussion...

What, exactly, is the GOAL when securing the load?

I kind of assume that number 1 goal is to prevent movement when traveling.... as in, if it doesn't start moving, you don't have to stop it. Right?

Further, is it a goal to secure the load enough that if you lost control of the truck, or left the road, etc, your load stayed secure to the trailer?... this seems like a far greater challenge, if not impossible... like in a rollover.

Somewhere mixed in there is the goal of not getting a ticket from the guys in white trucks.... or is that the priority goal?

tonka · Sep 5, 2010

My goal in load securement big or small is not to hurt anyone myself included, and to get the job done!

Tiny · Sep 6, 2010

I agree with Tonka,not enough cops to make them a huge concern.My goal is to control the load and not damage it and keep it from falling on someone or thing.I don't need anything crashing through the back of the cab.

Get the job done and go on to the next thing.Cops and DOT are low on my list .

monster truck · Sep 6, 2010

My goal is to get the load off of the trailer in the same condition that it went on without endagering anyone in the process. As far as DOT is concerned, I can tie down a load that would be according to there regulations but would come loose on the first pothole or I could tie down a load that would be far beyond secure but fail an inspection so they are not a great concern of mine. Every officer has his or her own Idea of what is legal yet none of them would be able to tie it down if they had to so I do it whatever way is safest. When you get into the larger equipment you have to look at it more like your trying to chain the trailer to the machine and not the other way around.

95zIV · Sep 6, 2010

JDOFMEMI said:
95zIV

What you posted is a very light duty tie down hook. I would not use it for anything much bigger than a compact car. Notice it is only grade 40, which is basically junk, IMO

I was referring to a heavy hook to grab into a frame hole or such on equipment, with a chain grab hook on the end.

Most all of my tie down chains are grade 100, with some grade 80. I do not even like to use grade 70. On big iron, it is barely better than nothing.

Jerry,

I only posted that because it is the only FACTORY MADE hook like that, that I could find.

Stevenbrla · Sep 6, 2010

Thanks guys...

Yes, with my loads too... my goal is to get them to their destination safely... AND, as I'm driving, that's definately the goal.

BUT, while in the process of chaining down your load, and calculating in your mind what you think is going to keep this load on the trailer... are you assuming the trailer is going to stay upright and on the road? or do you try to secure the load enough to keep it trailered during a rollover?

just wondering...

Tiny · Sep 6, 2010

To be honest, I cant say I have ever tied one down worrying about how it would react during a roll over . Have thought about some top heavy loads and done stuff different .

I have had two different loads tested . Not by me thankfully but the wildest one was a load of counterweights for a crane,4 pieces with the two biggest weighing in at 17,000 . I dropped the load and left it tied down , Another guy backed under and didn't not check to see if the 5th wheel was latched . He got to the street and lost it . trailer was twisted up . front of The deck was at 45 degree from the rear but the weights stayed on.

willie59 · Sep 6, 2010

Tiny said:
To be honest, I cant say I have ever tied one down worrying about how it would react during a roll over . Have thought about some top heavy loads and done stuff different .

I have had two different loads tested . Not by me thankfully but the wildest one was a load of counterweights for a crane,4 pieces with the two biggest weighing in at 17,000 . I dropped the load and left it tied down , Another guy backed under and didn't not check to see if the 5th wheel was latched . He got to the street and lost it . trailer was twisted up . front of The deck was at 45 degree from the rear but the weights stayed on.

And minor boss said "you're" hard on trailers. Go figure. :tong

monster truck · Sep 6, 2010

Never tried to tie one down with a roll over in mind. I did get hit by a car on the freeway once though and went over the bank, truck stayed on it's wheels and the 3 axle dump truck and mini ex I was hauling never moved an inch. The Best part was that the highway patrol that was following me way too closely rear ended my trailer right before I went over the bank and got every bit of it on his dash cam so I came out of the whole deal with no fault!

Stevenbrla · Sep 6, 2010

monster truck said:
Never tried to tie one down with a roll over in mind. I did get hit by a car on the freeway once though and went over the bank, truck stayed on it's wheels and the 3 axle dump truck and mini ex I was hauling never moved an inch. The Best part was that the highway patrol that was following me way too closely rear ended my trailer right before I went over the bank and got every bit of it on his dash cam so I came out of the whole deal with no fault!

Nice...:drinkup

tonka · Sep 6, 2010

I have never chained down a load and thought is this going to stay on if a turn her greasy side up.... I always chain a load down and think is this going to be in the same spot on the trailer when I get to where I’m going...

Now I had a trailer go over when i was younger, because i had to much weight on the rear of the trailer i was towing. It got to fish tailing and spun my pickup/trailer around and rolled the little JD 870 i was hauling broke in half. It was not a good sight because it belonged to a rental company i worked for... good thing was i never signed it out of the yard( paperwork was made, i never signed it) nothing they could do but let me go a few weeks later...lol

laketreefarm · Sep 6, 2010

Jerry I agree chains and hooks need to be heavier than you think as what's a normal stress becomes abnormal in an emergency situation. Years ago I turned into a driveway a little fast and my steer wheels slid in loose gravel and the flatbed I was hauling a articulated AC 540 lifted it's right rear wheel, the load shifted when one undersize chain broke and the rear of the machine went over the side with the front chain holding the front. so it was half on half off. Broke one hub and the steering cylinder. had to cut the remaining chain, drop it on the ground, and then winch it upright and off the road, all at 1:30 AM with no cops around. Cost me several thousand to repalce the busted parts and a lesson learned in using matching chains, screw boomers, and having good D ring tie down points. Never have likes chain slots in the frame. Hard on the links and will wallow out on rough roads.

Deerehauler · Sep 7, 2010

JDOFMEMI said:
DeereHauler

I like your custom grab hooks you are using on the machine.

Did you make them or buy them?

The only place I have been able to get these hooks is from Deere factory. I had one of our sister store's drivers pick some up for me when he went to the factory to get a combine.

JDOFMEMI · Sep 8, 2010

This has turned into a pretty interesting discussion.

laketreefarm, I hear you on matching chains, but if they are all matched to the lesser quality, you are still in trouble.
One more thing to remember, even if you have good chains, the binders are at least as important.

As I said, I replace with all G-100, but still had some G-70 binders. I was hauling a 140G blade one day, came around a curve on a rural road, and when I crossed the small bridge, there was a pretty good dip at the bridge end. I was going about 45 or 50, and did not have time to slow when I saw the dip. When I went through, both binders holding the rear of the machine broke in two from the flex in the trailer.

I did not know it right away, but suspected something may be wrong. I was only a mile from the site, so I slowed down and went easy into the job. When I got out to look, those 2 chains were loose, and only a couple pieces remained of the binders.
The G-100 chains didn't even show any marring where the hooks were, no streched links or anything. It pays to use good chain.

EGS · Sep 8, 2010

JDOFMEMI said:
Good advise on the lack of certification! I'll have to tuck that info away for the day I need it.

Jerry I talked to our lowboy driver today and he said they can still get you for over gross with portables, just not over on the axles. At least that is how it is in Wisconsin.

Will Musser · Sep 10, 2010

Oklahoma will get you for over on the axles with protables. Just paid it! I had a permit too, but due to a lift axle controll location, the guy wouldn't give me my weight. I wonder what would happen if we just started refusing to weigh on those portables. I think a Oklahoma permitt for me is usually about $750, but the fine for not having one is like $300. Why even weigh then? Just pay the fine and have a nice rest of your day.
As far as tie down work, I had a DOT man here tell me that the best practice is to simply analyze your load and chain so as to arrest movement in any direction. I'd have used 4 short 3/8" chains with slip hooks through the eyes on the Genie, and 4 screw binders on the trailer to tie it down. I don't like to use boomers as I broke a hand with one a couple of years ago.

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