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YoungOne

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I read the entired thread youngun and ur a true professional in the making, congrats on ur effort and acheivments.

Thank you sir. I hope to be able to teach others one day how to operate or atleast how to give them a chance. Some of the things i see the pictures of members doing i am amazed of. I do miss that d4 doing fine grade work though. Who knows one day i might get a good offer from someone on this site and go work for them.

Dreams... One foot in the door at a time. And on the other side.. you will see if they are real or make believe.
 

YoungOne

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At first i wasnt too excited about this. But i guess i am now, because it is a piece of equipment that i havent been on much. And they say it is one of the hardest machines to master.

Anyways, we lost our grader operator this weekend in a car accident:( And everyone at work volunteered me to start training on it.:Banghead To main tain roads etc. ( As in the regular operators volunteered me, not my pit foreman )

Which is pretty cool i guess. I even got called " Mike " last week. And not " Kid "

:D

-Michael-

So do you guys think i got put into a good spot? Or should i have stayed in the other equipment.
 

637slayer

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seems like another good chance, where i work you have to wait a long time before you get a chance to run a blade, ive run blades and personally i think a big shovel would be funner maybe because ive never been around them.
 

Construct'O

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Dozerwork,tiling plus many more!!!!!!!
Hi ! Mike:D

Only thing is that running a blade on the haul road can get pretty boring,except when you get in the road of the big trucks or scrapers.

As for a mine i see not much to do other then maintain the road,but others maybe be more in lighting of other uses.Usually the blade man use to get more over time at nights smoothing up late after others quit ,especially if they thought it was going to rain that night.

If on a road job you would be doing finish work,blue topping ,but now with GPS that would probably change.Also they would be slope work,plus the haulroad.Maybe even a v-ditch or two.More things on road jobs to keep you entertained. Again more overtime here for sure!!!!

Good luck Mike:notworthy:usa
 

YoungOne

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So i got on the grader.

So i went out and got on the 140H with 1300 hours. And told the pit foreman let me try it out. And if i do bad yell at me.

At first i just tried to stay out of the way. But by the end of the day i was down on the truck roads. Grading fast with trucks behind me:D

Kind of exciting. Since all our equipment is equipped with radios so we can communicate to each other as operators/ management. I got one " Hey kid, keep it flat none of that fancy stuff " ( Looked pretty bad at first ) And by the end of the day the same truck driver said " Good job mike "

Miss the shovel/dozer. But as Constructo mentioned. I will be getting alot of time and half:D I began to tell the boss that i think i am ready to try the electric shovel, it should be part of my training program. And we should get out that dang water truck/ 824.

Nice grader though, well maintained. XM radio. etc.

-Michael-

I went from " YoungOne " to " The Kid "
 

Eric

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Well good on ya Mike! You are in a great spot, learn evrything they will put you on. You have about 45 years to master it all. Just take what they GIVE you, and be patient...ie..shovels. At the mine I work at it used to take years and years to even go from haul trucks to equipment, let alone shovels. A guy would work 15 to 20 years before getting a crack at one. You are in a very, VERY, good spot. Just enjoy!
 

RollOver Pete

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Pssstt... Hey Michael..

told the pit foreman let me try it out.
I began to tell the boss that i think i am ready to try the electric shovel, it should be part of my training program.

I'll let you in on a little secret Michael.
Bosses and foremen get paid to tell us what to do.
The last thing they want is for anyone, including a young operator as yourself to tell them what to do or how to do it.

There are ways of asking them for their opinion regarding how your operating skills are coming along.
What areas do they feel that you can improve on?
Would they have any suggestions or different operating techniques that you might try in order to help you become a better operator?
And when the time comes, would they possibly consider you training to operate other pieces of equipment?

The point I'm trying to make is...
You never want to insult the intelligence of a foreman or Boss by telling them how to do anything.
Even if you know for a fact that your idea is way better than theirs, thats not what we get paid to do.
They give orders us.
We take those orders and make it happen....their way.
If you challenge them by telling them what to do,
or threaten their intelligence by showing them that your way was is better than theirs,
it always ends up causing you nothing but problems.
Next thing you know, they have attitudes and you are sitting at home.

You gotta trust me on this Michael.
I know this first hand.
I also know that this is an area where I need to improve on.
I'm working on it...
Nobody's perfect.

In the short time that we've known you by reading your posts,
we've seen you come a long way.
It's nice seeing someone start out and move up the ladder.
It's even better when there's a chance that something we said or did may have helped you get there.
What goes around, comes around.
I wouldn't be where I am now had it not been for those who took the time to let me in on a little secret.
:cool:
 

alco

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I began to tell the boss that i think i am ready to try the electric shovel, it should be part of my training program.

I'm just curious, what do you folks have for an electric shovel?

Brian
 
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YoungOne

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I'll let you in on a little secret Michael.
Bosses and foremen get paid to tell us what to do.
The last thing they want is for anyone, including a young operator as yourself to tell them what to do or how to do it.

There are ways of asking them for their opinion regarding how your operating skills are coming along.
What areas do they feel that you can improve on?
Would they have any suggestions or different operating techniques that you might try in order to help you become a better operator?
And when the time comes, would they possibly consider you training to operate other pieces of equipment?

The point I'm trying to make is...
You never want to insult the intelligence of a foreman or Boss by telling them how to do anything.
Even if you know for a fact that your idea is way better than theirs, thats not what we get paid to do.
They give orders us.
We take those orders and make it happen....their way.
If you challenge them by telling them what to do,
or threaten their intelligence by showing them that your way was is better than theirs,
it always ends up causing you nothing but problems.
Next thing you know, they have attitudes and you are sitting at home.

You gotta trust me on this Michael.
I know this first hand.
I also know that this is an area where I need to improve on.
I'm working on it...
Nobody's perfect.

In the short time that we've known you by reading your posts,
we've seen you come a long way.
It's nice seeing someone start out and move up the ladder.
It's even better when there's a chance that something we said or did may have helped you get there.
What goes around, comes around.
I wouldn't be where I am now had it not been for those who took the time to let me in on a little secret.
:cool:


Thanks for the long post. I only mentioned the shovel to him. Because he asked me about the " training " program i am in and how i like it. And how it could get better etc.

I've always been a stern believer that " in order to be successful, you have to take the shovel from the owner "

-Michael-
 

101 operator

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Well I was thinking the same thing as pushcat, so I'm sorry. Let me tell you a few truths unsugarcoated. There is no guarantees in this business period you work hard all summer and save for the winter. I have done it all form dirt to asphalt I have worked year round and I have worked 8 months out of the year. I have been the new guy and I have been the supervisor, bottom line if you are a good hand you will have a job and keep it who gives a dang about some mismanaged halfbaked company we work to work oueselves out of a job and don't forget that. Next you are only 19 noone cares about how long you've done this or that, you have expirience and are willing to learn this is important no matter how much expirience you have I still see a 19 year old kid,then go out there and grab an 8 and start cutting final grade that would impress the heck out of me. Look into joining a union non union jobs pay the bills form week to week but you can't do this forever you are going to need benefits bottom line and when the union sends you out to work for a mismanaged half baked company that lays you off guess what you call in get on the out of work list and get sent out on another job plus you have the oppurtunity to train with qualified people for free people that want to see a young man like you get very skilled and carry on our tradition of craftsmanship. I would also like to thank you for defending the freedom that I enjoy to write this to you.:usa:usa:usa:usa:usa:usa:usa:usa
 

Countryboy

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Look into joining a union non union jobs pay the bills form week to week but you can't do this forever you are going to need benefits bottom line

My non-union job pays my bills, and more, just fine.
 

637slayer

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right on countryboy, wyo is a right to work state there is very little union presance, ive got friends and family who have worked their whole lives without a union and they are doing just fine. in regaurds to the health insurance issue ive been watching a senator i forgot where he is from but he has come up with a plan that on paper sounds great. to make a long story short it will turn health insurance into a buyers market like auto insurance through a government program that reimbursses employers for paying employees extra money on top of what they earn, for insurance. in theory the more people shopping for health insurance will create competition, hopefully keeping rates down, hopefully. wether it all works out or not is a different story, i really hope it does.
 

CascadeScaper

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Things are different in other parts of the country, but non-union operators out here will never break $35 an hour. Journeyman operators baseline pay is $30.XX per hour right now and it goes up from there. The benefits, per hour, for my union at apprentice level is over $11.00 per hour. You just don't see non-union companies coming close to that at all.
 

Countryboy

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It wasn't my intent to put down unions. I just wanted it to be clear that just because someone wasn't in the union doesn't mean they live paycheck to paycheck, as it seemed to be stated above. I don't have anything against unions, I just don't need them.

I realize that union presence differs around the country. I don't hear much about unions around here so I can only assume that the presence is low. I just wanted to make the distinction that us non-union folks can scratch out a nice living too. :)

Back to YoungOne's adventures in scratching out a living of his own. ;)
 

bjl14

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YoungOne is this an aggregates company or energy mining company? Sounds like they have one huge operation with TWO 4100's
 

YoungOne

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YoungOne is this an aggregates company or energy mining company? Sounds like they have one huge operation with TWO 4100's


Actually we are a bit of both. We are lucky enough to be able to supply the energy business. As well as supplying rock/aggregate. Some sand etc.

You name it. Our mine might have it.

-Michael-

Our mine runs 23 hours a day most days now. Up from 18 before. So i guess we're doing pretty good. And we are getting some 190 ton trucks, or bigger this month.
 
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