JTL, i have a timbco operator friend that wants to try shovel logging with his machine but can't get the owners to bite off on the idea. someone needs to post some videos with production and application specifics to help take the learning curve out of it for the rest of us. i think the best application possible would be to shovel log to a small yarder in thinnings, this would be to steep for track skidders but to tight and steep for full size loaders. these guys have it figured out, it appears that the leveler will probably shovel the steeper stuff to the full boom non leveling machine, and then do the short and nasty stuff with the yoder.....................theironoracle