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First Winter Storm, maybe....

colson04

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Again. How many times have you went thru this?? My roads would be 4x4 only.

Woke up in the night thinking about getting our annual gravel supply in a month. We get 65 tons per mile. That's 1 ton every 83 feet. Let that soak in.... :(

3/4 of a yard per 83 ft of roadway? Does that even get you an 1/8" of coverage?
 

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We put 1 ton per 3 ft or 1 meter on a regular 30ft wide road, a ton every 83 ft is not very much, I guess something is better then nothing, your trucks must have their spreader chains tight to the box to give you that amount feet per ton.
 

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We put 1 ton per 3 ft or 1 meter on a regular 30ft wide road, a ton every 83 ft is not very much, I guess something is better then nothing, your trucks must have their spreader chains tight to the box to give you that amount feet per ton.
A good truck driver that can tail spread is worth a lot. Truck driver on our crew for doing driveways in the summer. He moves the grader and roller, hauls the junk away, and hauls the gravel in, and helps with the hand work. He understands grade, and can spread it as thick or thin as you like.
 

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We put 1 ton per 3 ft or 1 meter on a regular 30ft wide road, a ton every 83 ft is not very much, I guess something is better then nothing, your trucks must have their spreader chains tight to the box to give you that amount feet per ton.
A truck/pup combination hauls 27 Ton. Two of them almost go a mile. It's minimal at best. We couldn't survive with the extreme temp swings and moisture you deal with.
 

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A good truck driver that can tail spread is worth a lot. Truck driver on our crew for doing driveways in the summer. He moves the grader and roller, hauls the junk away, and hauls the gravel in, and helps with the hand work. He understands grade, and can spread it as thick or thin as you like.
Every dump truck owner/driver that survives knows how to spread rock. If he doesn't, he doesn't survive. We even expect professional spreading in our circle drives, etc. Better know how to duck power lines and tree limbs as well. Stop/start at the edge of bridges and edge of pavement. :)
 

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Really despise spreading Screenings or heavy screening rock loads, bridge pack against gate where almost need a bed shaker to get it to cut loose. Spreads then stops, then drops clumps then spreads more, nerve wracking.

Straight 3/4, inch or two inch or clean stone of any size can spread like a carpet. Ditch spread 3 to 4" clean for a client, had chains at 20 links for that to work, third gear on a 8LL about half throttle.

Last 2" minus we spread we were only achieving a eighth mile to 21t, 3-4" depth in Second Gear just about 800-1000rpm, client was ENORMOUSLY pleased built a nice base. Packed and rained on settled to roughly 2 1/2" depth.
 

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This year my rock is coming from a different quarry. The pile is last year's rock. It will have a lot of moisture in it. If the loader operator doesn't stir it a little they'll have clumping problems.

The last couple years I've gotten fresh rock from the crusher. It spreads very well.

I've also got a new crew hauling this year. Never know what to expect. I go to the quarry the first morning and have a discussion about my roads. Hand out my Cell #. Talk to them about bridges they can't cross loaded. Talk about dead end roads that they can't turn a pup around on.

Then each evening I'll drive the roads they've worked. If I see no problems I leave them alone. I sign all the tickets when they are done. If I see problems I stop them and we have another discussion.

I understand they are trying to make a living. I don't want them to sit onsite and wait for me to show up to sign tickets. Just do the job with quality in mind and we get along fine.
 

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This year my rock is coming from a different quarry. The pile is last year's rock. It will have a lot of moisture in it. If the loader operator doesn't stir it a little they'll have clumping problems.

The last couple years I've gotten fresh rock from the crusher. It spreads very well.

I've also got a new crew hauling this year. Never know what to expect. I go to the quarry the first morning and have a discussion about my roads. Hand out my Cell #. Talk to them about bridges they can't cross loaded. Talk about dead end roads that they can't turn a pup around on.

Then each evening I'll drive the roads they've worked. If I see no problems I leave them alone. I sign all the tickets when they are done. If I see problems I stop them and we have another discussion.

I understand they are trying to make a living. I don't want them to sit onsite and wait for me to show up to sign tickets. Just do the job with quality in mind and we get along fine.
I hate fresh from the crusher. Dry yes, but too dry, might as well be clear stone. We scalp off a 1 inch minus after the jaw, everything else goes on to the cone to be asphalt aggerate. The inch minus grades like a dream, and packs like concrete. If it's too wet, it does stick in the tail gate. The so called in spec inch and a quarter minus for road building is too clean. If you can't put it to grade in a pass or 2, it loses all the fines, and gets real rocky. Then they don't like wetting it down too much because it takes it out of spec
 

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I like the first cut from the face the rock seems softer settles and packs the best, the further they cut into the face the harder the rock it seems, doesn't settle stays to alive on the road only 50% packs, bank gravel is the best I find for back roads, you half to remember that most roads are just mud roads with gravel on top, seen what a gravel road is suppose to look like when I took a trip to Labrador.
 

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And that is my roads. Dirt roads with gravel sprinkled on top. I want all the larger stone I can get. Fines disappear to quick. The County specs the rock and takes the bids.

1 1/4 square opening - 100%
3/8 square opening - no more than 50%
#10 square opening - 5%
 

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If I am building a new roadbed I start with clean 2". Once I have it embedded by traffic I then add a layer of 1 1/4 down.
 

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Here typically the counties use 2" clean and once laid overlay with 2"minus(Screenings), about two weeks of weather and traffic cover that with inch minus.
 

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Well, looks like the latest "Winter Storm" is going to miss us completely. Was supposed to get rain last night, got none. Supposed to get 1-3" of snow this morning and end in two hours. Not saw a flake yet.

Had a high temp of 62F yesterday. It's 19F this morning at 9 a.m.
 

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Did NOT miss Us here, rains last night somewhere around a inch, stopped about a hour this morning so went to work. Boss showed up just as the next round began and said Day was already over as Ice coming. Came home, took load of Scrap down 20 some miles to scrapyard all was just rain, fought Ice storm on way back and had 3/4" of sleet on drive as got back in less than a hour. Supposed to be close to 6F by morning tomorrow so no work again.
 

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Did NOT miss Us here, rains last night somewhere around a inch, stopped about a hour this morning so went to work. Boss showed up just as the next round began and said Day was already over as Ice coming. Came home, took load of Scrap down 20 some miles to scrapyard all was just rain, fought Ice storm on way back and had 3/4" of sleet on drive as got back in less than a hour. Supposed to be close to 6F by morning tomorrow so no work again.
I thought it looked like you were gonna get hit. Several storms this Winter have missed us and hit your area. It this keeps up we will have a dry Summer. Very little sub soil moisture now.
 

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Our soil moisture is such cannot get off tge squishy rock roads or drives for fear of immediate burial! Ground is so soft as to be a sponge, just walking across leave boot prints under the grass.
 

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Our soil moisture is such cannot get off tge squishy rock roads or drives for fear of immediate burial! Ground is so soft as to be a sponge, just walking across leave boot prints under the grass.
We are just the opposite. I can get in almost any ditch with the grader. Isn't that weird? I'm guessing you are 240 miles SE of me? I'm at Ridgeway.
 

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So Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday was down around minus 36 Canadian, or minus 32.8 American with the wind. Over the evening Wednesday, it went up to 5 or 41. Yesterday it rained, and this morning started freezing rain, now it is snowing, and the temperature is dropping again.
 

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So Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday was down around minus 36 Canadian, or minus 32.8 American with the wind. Over the evening Wednesday, it went up to 5 or 41. Yesterday it rained, and this morning started freezing rain, now it is snowing, and the temperature is dropping again.
The "like" button on this site needs choices. For this one I would have chosen :(
 
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