D6c cat loss of oil pressure

[Steve.ahlgren85]

Makes sense, Dumb !!

 

[kshansen]

Those pictures show just what I'm sure most of us had expected it would look like.

Sure you can run some fuel oil through that cooler and flush it out, but what if you fail to get one or two flecks of that bearing material out? Spend a week or two in labor removing cleaning and reassembling an engine with a few thousand in new or good used parts and try saving a couple hundred by using an old cooler that may have a few chunks caught in it that will pop out as soon as it get warmed up good. If you feel that lucky take a roll of hundred dollar bills and spend the night at the nearest casino!

Don't quote me on the exact dollars and hour to do the job, it is just an example of the risk you could be taking trying to save money. I was never a big fan of reusing an oil cooler core even if an engine never had a failure and was just being rebuilt due to low power or high hours. But one that has had a failure even minor compared to this one no way!

And if you are going to rebuild this engine every plug and fitting needs to come out and a rife cleaning rod and brush run through all the oil galleys . Each and every part oil touches needs to be disassembled and cleaned and inspected.

 

[Steve.ahlgren85]

Your wisdom is greatly appreciated, Thanks!

 

[fast_st]

I've seen the salvage boys pull an engine in 5 minutes, but don't go that route Go easy with the knee replacement till its all shipshape and you get a thumbs up from the doc or pt folks, not a job you want to do over. Hopefully you can get some good help in your area.

 

[Steve.ahlgren85]

I would like to have that engine rebuilt, but I am concerned that, whoever does it, will not be able to get all the metal flakes out. There are a lot of aluminium particles that are hard to see.Would a qualified mechanic be able to get all the metal out?Again, thank you for all of your advice. .
Steve

 

[grandpa]

Nige has sent me a pm addressing your issue. Sorry for not following your thread and jumping in to help.

Personally I use Zielger in mpls to do my rebuilds. They have one particular fellow that is heads above the norm in expertise. Also their warranty is excellent and to me that means a lot.

If you don't feel comfortable with the Ziegler main shop, and request a independent source for help, I would recommend Bruce Johnson out of Brainerd MN. Been in business along time and knows his business. http://advanceddieselservicebrainerd.com/

And again I apologize for not following your woes.. I hope this helps..... and you can thank Nige... Grandpa.

 

[Steve.ahlgren85]

Thanks for the advice .I want to have it rebuilt and Zeigler caterpillar, I think would do a great job ,but nice to have a mechanic name that someone recommends.Would a long block work in my situation? Just don't know which is the best way to get the engine back to reliable condition! Thanks again. .
Steve

 

[grandpa]

I would get yours out,,, take it to Zieglers,,, if it salvageable use your own block... they'll know and do it everyday. When they are done it will be right, and done with genuine cat parts..

 

[kshansen]

I would like to have that engine rebuilt, but I am concerned that, whoever does it, will not be able to get all the metal flakes out. There are a lot of aluminium particles that are hard to see.Would a qualified mechanic be able to get all the metal out?Again, thank you for all of your advice. .
Steve

Steve,

I would have no problem having a "qualified mechanic" rebuild that engine. The key word is "qualified". I would feel confident with either of the two suggestions by grandpa. Cleaning the block is not all that hard just needs someone who takes the time to remove all plugs and fittings and runs a wire brush through the galleys and some nice hot soapy water. Just don't stand there and keep saying "Is it done yet, is it done yet?" "Are you sure you need to remove that?"

Also you need to be honest with yourself and the people doing the work how perfect a job you want done. Starting with what your expected use of the machine is going to be once it is running again. There is a big difference between a machine you will be running 24/7/365 like something Nige would be using in a large gold mine to something that might only see a couple hundred hours a year cleaning out brush and ponds on a small farm. Either extreme needs a machine rebuilt with proper care and craftsmanship but there are places one can save money by using aftermarket or Cat Classic parts.

 

[Steve.ahlgren85]

Your advice is priceless. This forum has been incredibly helpful. All your posts, I have read them and I just appreciate people who have spent so much time working on these old engines. ..

 

[tctractors]

Steve, if you were U.K. based I would soon sort the little banger including scrubbing all it's bits, there must be plenty of people in the U.S. near you that would sort this job.
tctractors

 

[Steve.ahlgren85]

I am sure there are. Thanks anyway!

 

[Steve.ahlgren85]

Good morning,
Thanks for your input. I got my cat home and in a the shop.Do you know a good mechanic who could do an overhaul of my machine? Also, would a long block be a better option for me given the crank damage ,valve grinding, major repairs that have to be done? I have no idea how much a major repair would be, but with your experience, I thought maybe you could give me a ballpark figure. Your response is greatly appreciated
Steve

 

[DMiller]

I would seriously consider calling the closest grade contractors to see who they use. Most around here have their own small duty mechanics but have a severe shop do all the bigger work some only using dealers. As I have posted here before there are fewer and fewer repair shops capable of this type of work or workers that can still do this type of work.

 

[thepumpguysc]

A plane ticket, rental car and an open ended reservation at the local motel, + 100.00 aday perdiem, along w/ an unlimited credit card for parts, a warm covered building fully stocked w/tools and Cat manuals, I think you'd get some help.
OR do as Miller suggests..

 

[grandpa]

An overhaul. That's an interesting question. First an overhaul probably would mean something different to everyone asked. If your going to do it right, its going to be in the neighborhood of $25 grand. And that's if you pull the motor. Bet that scared the s**t out of you. To me, if im going to go thru the effort of pulling the motor, I sure as heck am not going to cheap side it if im keeping the machine. Without being running its basically a parts machine for now.

 

[D6c10K]

There were a couple of crate rebuilt 3306 truck engines that recently sold on Gov't Liquidation. Complete w/turbos and everything.....225 H.P.

Sold for a little over $6000. That sounds like it would be a good price even if all you use is the long block.

 

[Steve.ahlgren85]

Hey d6c 10k,
Where do they have these sales? I would be very interested in knowing where and when the next one comes around. I am ready to pull the engine out tomorrow morning. After pressure washing it, I will be able to make a decision on what to do with it. I will not spend $25,000 on an engine, no matter how much I use it. My wife is barely talking to me anyhow! That would send her through the roof! !!

 

[DoyleX]

Guy, you have to do a evaluation of the condition of your machine and components. Undercarriage and related? Drivetrain and transmission/torque? Blade and related? If one of the following is not up to par...

So now you pull the engine and find 2 other problems that cost more money (its a guarantee) As you pull those 2 apart more stuff appears. Next thing you know you have a big bucket of bolts, 6 full pallets of iron you stripped and its a 20k ordeal that was supposed to be under 10k. Now its worth nothing. Get out now unless you know exactly what you have.

 

[Steve.ahlgren85]

Nope, everything else is in GREAT shape, nothing more bad is going to happen! !!I have faith in God! !