9420pullpan said:Bell owns 32% of Deere. so Bell makes the deere trucks
We have a John Deere 350C truck. I was wondering if anyone had any comments on them? Our truck has approx 8000 hours. She is tough to start when temps are below 50 deg. fer. and I most definetly do not like the full time engine brake (throttle pedal only with no disconnect). Is the Mercedes engine good, or should we be looking for another truck? Thanks for your help.
i have ran the bell scraper tractor and they are not my cup of tee, they are fast but load like crap, they have the power but no traction, the one i ran had tires not tracks, not sure if the tracked version is any better, it did have the mercedes diesel with i beleive around 450 horsepower
Full time engine brakes are the best that’s a lot of weight to stop and Mercedes makes good diesels. That said I have no experience with JD ADT's so that just my general observation.
I think Volvo builds a better articulated truck than any of them. What has happened to Moxy?
I would have to agree that Volvo was always a leader in All Terrain Dumpers (ATD). Moxy came from Scania, also Swedish manufacture/design but were a cheaper design. For example, they had a single rear diff with chain drives to rear wheels, like a grader. More moving components means higher rebuild costs. Komatsu also had copys of Moxy running in Australia many years ago.
There's lots of CAT ATDs working here now thanks to good marketing and excellent parts backup, but on pulling a load through mud, Volvo is still king.
I'd like to chime in about Moxy's. They are NOT Swedish or made by Scania. They are actually buildt in the west coast of Norway (a small place called Elnesvaagen) But they are powered by Scania diesel (wicth co-operate with Cummins in injection technology) They where owned by Komatsu a few years back so I would think the Komatsus down under where rebadged moxy's. They are now owned by a british manufacturer (Brown, I think) They have been struggeling with their finaces a few years back, but are now going full steam.
I have never cared much for ADT's, but from what I have heard they where quit comfortable in earlier years, and by some concidered as the Peterbilt in the ADT world.
I think Deere owns 32% of Bell...
Dozerboy, the reason you see them as being so similar is because they are identical as 9420 has pointed out. The Bell 40D is the Deere 400D and so on down the line. When Deere decided to get into the ADT business, it chose a partner rather than develop a line all its own. For that matter, Bell wasn't ever a huge player in the US market (it's an Australian company), but they have a very good product.
If you go to Europe, the same is true for Hitachi ADTs.