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Dam Thieves.
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digger242j
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I have a real problem with that.
What happens when somebody's wife and kids are in the way when the brakes go out?
Stevenbrla
Well-Known Member
It all sounds perfectly illogical to me. I'm sure its just me though.
DirtHauler
Senior Member
A much better thing to do would be to have it go into neutral and apply full breaking power. On my dads jeep that he pulls behind his motor-home, he has a air ram on the master cylinder to assist the breaking while being towed. he hooks an air line up to it when it is parked and applies 120 psi to the jeep breaks, which keeps it from being driven or towed away.
Stevenbrla
Well-Known Member
brakes
2stickbill
Senior Member
That happened in Texas too.They cut phone lines,cable for emergency communications.But the real winner are Weiner was the guy who cut into hot electric wires in a fenced in and locked with signs Sub Station.Around 50,000 volts.Wasn't Karma nice?Toasted Thief.
nickbowers
Senior Member
Yeah, they got caught trying to export them. Turns out they were a worldwide group and Australia wasn't the only place they were stealing from.
They probably only got a slap on the wrist and away they went
MrMechanic
Well-Known Member
Fortunately I'm single. and don't lend the car out to anyone. (insurance wont cover if the car would crash if someone other than myself was driving it- Unless it's stolen) I'll pick friends up, but wont allow them to drive.
It's very simple to rectify via unhooking a latch, and then disconnecting a cord from a home-made plug-in that links the electronic components. Very simple, and take 30 secs to do. To redo it, repeat process in reverse.
You were refering to someone elses...
Quite frankly... I haven't put that into consideration...... To be honest, up until now, I've never thought about that...........
I'll be looking into potential modifications for a more safer means of the process after it reaches the 35MPH with the mods made....(particularly methods on making the Engine Drop or something, ultimately shutting it down. Going to see how it'd be possible and cost of modifying it/re-certifying it afterwords.)
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MrMechanic
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Only issue to making it useless, the methods I've found, are rather costly and time consuming. To the point it'd take almost an half-hour to rig it/re-rig it before/after driving.
ointheadWell, if it's stolen, it's legal. If it's someone you allowed to drive the vehicle, it's illegal.
It's legal, if you're the only one operating the vehicle, and rig it yourself. If the vehicle fails because of you while you operate it, insurance doesn't cover a dime. (that's the risk) Because there are no laws against modifying a vehicle, and/or its components for performance purposes or otherwise. (The modification that links the breaks to the transmission, improves the ease of the transmission to shift gears, thus, it's arguably performance improvement, just it has a mean side-effect of deactivating the brakes when it goes above a specific speed that causes it to switch to a certain gear. Meaning if someone steals the car, without my approval/without my personal key for it. and any injury occurs to them, it's totally legal because I had no means of communicating the hazards of operating my vehicle without changing some things prior to its operation. So taking someones stuff, without their knowledge, means they can't tell you anything about the item you're taking, and legally, are not bound in anyway for any injuries/liabilities that occur afterwards. Laughs on the idiot who makes his living making others lives bad. :scool . Same laws apply if someone ran on a construction site, stole a bulldozer, and then the person operating it, didn't know how to shift from nuetral to reverse/drive, and goes into a lake/river/ocean and drowns. Owner of the bulldozer is not liable in anyway/shape/form, because they couldn't instruct the thief in the safety considerations, and how to operate the vehicle)
And the mods to the vehicle, were approved by the State of WA, and certified for safe road use. (they looked at my modifications and everything, and are deemed street legal for roads 25MPH and under with the mod active. with Mod de-active, it's good for roads up to 75MPH)
In short, if someone wants to make my life difficult, potentially cost me a job because I wont have any transportation otherwise if my car was stolen, and give me a horrid week/day. I'll give them the greatest scare they've ever had in their lives.
Regarding the topic of the thread.
An international equipment theft ring, the thought of it is insane.
Disgusting, but insane. Wouldn't be surprised if they were linked to some kind of a terrorist org, or some kind of cartel or something.
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DirtHauler
Senior Member
Ok, guy steals your car, and gets to 35 MPH
Brakes and tranny go out like you have it rigged, It plows into my wife and kids and kills them.
ointheadPlease think about the rest of us too.
MrMechanic
Well-Known Member
Ok, guy steals your car, and gets to 35 MPH Brakes and tranny go out like you have it rigged, It plows into my wife and kids and kills them.
Please think about the rest of us too.
I am now. Didn't put those factors in when I decided to mod my vehicle.
Going to look into a more safer method to cease vehicle function if it's ever stolen.
I've always thought on the single ideology of someone stealing my vehicle, and getting what they had coming to them. Never put in consideration for possible collateral. (which I'm now considering putting thought into it) I'll be looking into ways on possibly dropping the engine after X speed is reached (forcing the entire vehicle to shut down, and potentially mod the axle to when said speed is made, to possibly force it to slam breaks and aim for the shoulder as it shuts down. But that's all theory currently. Gotta draw up some plans, and see what would have to be done for said mods to take effect)
All it'd take in forcing the breaks to activate once the car shifts into a certain gear, is just a matter of doing the reverse to the mod that causes the breaks to deactivate. So that shouldn't be hard at all to do. But it'd have to be forced to the side of the road, or else it'll block the lane, and possibly force the person behind the vehicle to go into my car. (Which wouldn't be good) End goal would to force the vehicle to be inoperable once the transmission switches to the specified gear. In effect totally the car internally. (engine essentially destroy itself would be the ffect I'd want. Insurance would pay for new Engine/Parts if it would be a result of theft)
It's all a matter of going over my Engine, Axle, Steering system, and brake schematics to see what further mods I can make. I'll be getting on it ASAP.
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koldsteele
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This happend several years back ...Working at one of my dairy farms my customer tells me one of his tractors got stole the nite before ..Phone rings the law found the tractor and the thief ...My customer tells me get in the truck ,so i'm thinkin where going to get the tractor ....When we get to the jail my customer tells the jailer he's here to bail the guy out ...Ha Ha ..Well from there things didn't go so good ...He damm near got locked up ..Oh he had to wait for the trial to meet the thief ..Ba ha ha
joispoi
Senior Member
MrMechanic...think about the fact that there could be people on the shoulder if you make a mod that will force the vehicle one way or another.
Does your car have airbags? Why not just make it so the airbag goes off when he's bending down to hot wire the car? Or when he puts it in drive? Or hits 10 miles per hour?.....there really is a long list of possibilities....turn signal, fastens seat belt....doesn't fasten seat belt.
If it has side impact airbags, put the side bags on a 10 second delay...this way it will be like a 1-2 punch. You could also rig the side impact bag to go off when he opens the door to get out after the first bag goes off...I'd pay the price of a movie ticket to watch a thief get owned like that.
I suppose you could even add airbags....ceiling...head rest, under a seat cover.
Does your car have airbags? Why not just make it so the airbag goes off when he's bending down to hot wire the car? Or when he puts it in drive? Or hits 10 miles per hour?.....there really is a long list of possibilities....turn signal, fastens seat belt....doesn't fasten seat belt.
If it has side impact airbags, put the side bags on a 10 second delay...this way it will be like a 1-2 punch. You could also rig the side impact bag to go off when he opens the door to get out after the first bag goes off...I'd pay the price of a movie ticket to watch a thief get owned like that.
I suppose you could even add airbags....ceiling...head rest, under a seat cover.
farmerleach
Well-Known Member
Why not a positive air shut down system on the intake. Can't run with out air. A simple lever operated system world work just fine.
2stickbill
Senior Member
I like the one under the seat.But not an air bag.Make a new sun roof.
D&GExcavating
Senior Member
Last summer we were doing alley jobs in down town Marshall, putting in new water, and sewer. We finished the day up right behind the Municipal building, where a couple of police officers have their office, and parked the 302.5 next to the 312C and we had the jack hammer for the mini sitting between them. Over the night, someone came and hauled off the jack hammer, a used Cat one. Musta had a few guys to help carry it out of the alley.
Then like 2 years ago, some one drove onto one of our jobsites over the night and made off with our 20 foot Underground crew trailer! Everything was in there. It was white and said D&G Excavating, Inc. in big yellow and black letters. Everynow and then, something that was in the trailer will turn up somewhere and we'll get it back, but no one ever found the trailer.
Like 5 years ago, a guy that worked for us went out to our main crusher plant, cut the main line from the generator (locked in the box truck) all the way to the crusher and out to the stackers. Hauled it into the local salvage yard, which my dads friend manages, and they contacted us letting us know who brought it in.
Then like 2 years ago, some one drove onto one of our jobsites over the night and made off with our 20 foot Underground crew trailer! Everything was in there. It was white and said D&G Excavating, Inc. in big yellow and black letters. Everynow and then, something that was in the trailer will turn up somewhere and we'll get it back, but no one ever found the trailer.
Like 5 years ago, a guy that worked for us went out to our main crusher plant, cut the main line from the generator (locked in the box truck) all the way to the crusher and out to the stackers. Hauled it into the local salvage yard, which my dads friend manages, and they contacted us letting us know who brought it in.
Deeretime
Senior Member
I have had everything stolen !! the stupidest thing i have ever had stolen was on our welding truck. our mech had it parked out front of his room and because the boxes were locked they unrolled the cables and stole them.
Have 3 10000 gallon fuel tanks 500ft away from my dads beadroom and some one got in and built a syphin out of 2" suction hose and made off with atleast 500 gallons
Some one stole our 70XT skid steer started it and loaded it into our roll off garbage bin and then drove off !
found our machine a month later not far away when i seen a new bobcat buisiness starting up. The police came there and i showed them my unit number and company name on my pallet forks that I made. The guy clearly screwed the serial number on the machine and the cop told us that we got our insurance money so leave the guy alone.
Because of this a$$ i think i might steal equip for myself no consequences
I do feel sorry for all of your losses and i hope that you guys can atleast find humor in some of these
Have 3 10000 gallon fuel tanks 500ft away from my dads beadroom and some one got in and built a syphin out of 2" suction hose and made off with atleast 500 gallons
Some one stole our 70XT skid steer started it and loaded it into our roll off garbage bin and then drove off !
found our machine a month later not far away when i seen a new bobcat buisiness starting up. The police came there and i showed them my unit number and company name on my pallet forks that I made. The guy clearly screwed the serial number on the machine and the cop told us that we got our insurance money so leave the guy alone.
Because of this a$$ i think i might steal equip for myself no consequences
I do feel sorry for all of your losses and i hope that you guys can atleast find humor in some of these
D&GExcavating
Senior Member
It sucks, and some people are really ballsy!
Thats a b***h that he got away with it. The law enforcement doesn't do crap it seems like.
A long long time ago when Cat first came out with the tractor hoes with the curved hoods, we had a brand new one sitting in our shop yard. Some kids started it up in the middle of the night, hit a telephone pole with it, ripped the doors off and drove it off a 15 foot drop onto the rail road tracks! My dad got to work in the morning and noticed part of the stick just barely sticking out above.
We were doing a 5 mile long railroad spur near ADM in Marshall, the whole thing is lit up, and the security there is pretty tight. Some farmer drained a 1,000 gallon diesel cart over night.
We've had sabotage happen were clearly it was someone familiar with Cats because all of the masters were off and the keys were hidden. We were stripping black dirt out of this field to start a pit, over night someone started up the old D6D, took it a pushed one of our old TS-14s sideways about 20 feet, then the fired up the 950E and dumped about 4 full buckets on top of the D6D.
One employee at this Road Construction company by us, was sick of running a 980C and wanted a newer loader, so once again overnight, he dumped silica sand in the oil, the tranny, and the hydraulics. Came to work the next day and ran her til she locked up stiff.
At the other road construction company by us, this disgruntled employee dumped silica sand into everything on his 345B, and then just kept loading trucks til she locked up.
I don't know what some people are thinking.
One that wasn't soo bad but was a pain to clean up, some person went out to our big screening operation, and set off the dry fire extinguishers in the cab of the D6R, the generator truck, and in the cab of the 980G.
Thats a b***h that he got away with it. The law enforcement doesn't do crap it seems like.
A long long time ago when Cat first came out with the tractor hoes with the curved hoods, we had a brand new one sitting in our shop yard. Some kids started it up in the middle of the night, hit a telephone pole with it, ripped the doors off and drove it off a 15 foot drop onto the rail road tracks! My dad got to work in the morning and noticed part of the stick just barely sticking out above.
We were doing a 5 mile long railroad spur near ADM in Marshall, the whole thing is lit up, and the security there is pretty tight. Some farmer drained a 1,000 gallon diesel cart over night.
We've had sabotage happen were clearly it was someone familiar with Cats because all of the masters were off and the keys were hidden. We were stripping black dirt out of this field to start a pit, over night someone started up the old D6D, took it a pushed one of our old TS-14s sideways about 20 feet, then the fired up the 950E and dumped about 4 full buckets on top of the D6D.
One employee at this Road Construction company by us, was sick of running a 980C and wanted a newer loader, so once again overnight, he dumped silica sand in the oil, the tranny, and the hydraulics. Came to work the next day and ran her til she locked up stiff.
At the other road construction company by us, this disgruntled employee dumped silica sand into everything on his 345B, and then just kept loading trucks til she locked up.
I don't know what some people are thinking.
One that wasn't soo bad but was a pain to clean up, some person went out to our big screening operation, and set off the dry fire extinguishers in the cab of the D6R, the generator truck, and in the cab of the 980G.