Why the Chinese manufacturers will never be on top.

[Wawrecker]

While I was at the Komatsu display at Conexpo I saw a couple Chinese taking pictures of a new Komatsu excavator only they had the camera deep in the bowels of the pump area. I asked a Komatsu rep what was up and he said it was Chinese engineers looking to reverse engineer the equipment and said it is very common.

I never had any intention of buying any Chinese equipment anytime soon but having witnessed this it will be a cold day in America when I do. What are your thoughts?

 

[Revicm]

Geez, that is something else isn't it?

 

[digger242j]

You think Komatsu didn't do the same thing to CAT?

 

[d4c24a]

the big names all buy a new competitors model ,and then strip it bit by bit ,its no different really

 

[928G Boy]

I was at the cat booth and saw Sany people spying.

Imitation is the best form of flattery.

I saw people spying at New Holland and JD as well, but they weren't Chinese.

 

[Wawrecker]

You think Komatsu didn't do the same thing to CAT?

Having spent a little time in a cat 225 I guess I should be grateful they did!

 

[Per Eriksson]

Everyone does the same, maybe not as obvious like this but rather they buy a competitors machine and tear it down inhouse.
Maybe the chinese can't afford to buy a machine for teardown?

 

[brian falcone]

i dont think this type of thing can be prevented. back in the day komatsu was know to buy one of everything cat built just to "see how it worked ". chinese equipment manufacturer LIU GONG has just purchased dressta . which built machines which are directly traced to international harvesters payline. at one time the number 2 supplier of construction equipment in the world. may not seem like a big deal but everything is for sale and i think its only a matter of time before they purchase a bigger ,more known company .it really wouldnt take much. if a few of these asian companies merged think of the buying power they would have. brian

 

[motrack]

Not a big deal........... Ford and Chevy have buying each others cars and tearing them apart for years. International and John Deere have done it also.

I can remember a time when the Japanse were at trade shows doing the same thing and now we consider them to build top of the line equipment. This too shall come to pass.

 

[jeff112]

Even if you buy a all American made piece of equipment , if there is such a thing any more,the sad thing is we all in some way are converting them into foreign machinery by the parts we replace on them, seams like you can't by much these days without the box marked Mexico,China,Japan.

 

[John C.]

So far I haven't found a camera that would photograph the inside of a hydraulic system.

The Chinese taking photos would do a lot better to just buy the service manual and work from that. All the system operations and many if not most of the dimensions are there.

As far as excavators go, Komatsu is the only one I know of that makes all their own components. So far Komatsu hasn't copied anyone on those and I don't know of anyone who has tried to copy Komatsu.

It is a funny photo though.

Thanks

 

[QuickTrax]

I have heard that this goes both ways with Komatsu and Cat.

 

[andoman]

We were out there this year and didn't run across any of this but in the show before this one we watched writgen drag guys out from under pavers and mills it was very entertaining.

 

[wnydirtguy]

we have a bobcat track skidsteer that we have problems with. the dealer checked to who had it and where it has been. come to find out Cat owned it at some point. they figure Cat pulled it apart and put it together again but not the same way it came apart. so I figure all the companies do it to their competitions machines at some point. I wish they put them back the way they came apart.

 

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[heavylift]

reminds me of the poster that told us to stop posting pictures of the 31000 Manitowoc crane... someone would build it from the photos we were posting LOL

 

[Tommjr]

Daewoo - Doosan owns Bobcat. It's coming. The sad part is, everything has a price.

 

[nixs]

As far as excavators go, Komatsu is the only one I know of that makes all their own components. So far Komatsu hasn't copied anyone on those and I don't know of anyone who has tried to copy Komatsu.

It is a funny photo though.

Thanks

Liebherr even does their own machines to build their components to their excavators. It´s funny then they calls their manufacturing plant in France for the mini excavator plant, all machines under 100 metric tons.

 

[Silveroddo]

Yeah, as everyone else said, all of them do it, I was involved with a survey where a manufacturer has 4 other brands of machine and their own lined up and we went through and rated them, I was looking at somthing on their machine and asked an engineer about it "Yeah, the hydraulic filter is located here, its sucks, give it a 1 out of 10" Some of them realize that there is room for improvement, the cocky ones think theirs is the best regardless

 

[dayexco]

the chinese will overwhelm the US excavator market with quantity and price like the japanese and koreans did to us with quality. i grew up on drott excavators...you needed things to start the day, extra hydraulic hoses, 5 gals of hyd. oil, gallon of motor oil, hydraulic hoses, anti-freeze...along comes komatsu and hitachi...that all quit. chinese are going to give the american market all that, plus a considerable cost savings.