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Skidders- Tracks ot Tires, Lines or Grapples- Lets see what you've got!

DerelictTexture

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True enough, Brian...how could you forget stuff like that.

Are we fairly certain that the statute of limitations has run out on the Pitt Lake Gold story?...but then again . a good lawyer would argue that it was the Royal use of "we".

I've never had a lawyer that was worth a pinch of ****, but I'm pretty sure that Perry Mason would take your case.
 

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True enough, Brian...how could you forget stuff like that.

Are we fairly certain that the statute of limitations has run out on the Pitt Lake Gold story?...but then again . a good lawyer would argue that it was the Royal use of "we".

I've never had a lawyer that was worth a pinch of ****, but I'm pretty sure that Perry Mason would take your case.

Not to worry, sir. I'm confident that he did not inhale. ROFL.
 

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Hi Vigilant: I could have added a lot more but was trying to keep it brief. I 'spose I already failed at that. I should mention we logged out that draw the old timers couldn't get to. Our technology was better. Nobody was hurt or killed. As much luck as skill. Water skied on the lake after work many times. Fished for sturgeon and caught two monsters, about 300 pounds and released them of course. Used barbless hooks. Hunted mountain goats up behind where we were logging. Got one big old billy. Very tasty. Taught the old cook, an Englishman who was in the Royal Navy during WW2 how to make GOOD apple pie to offset his steady menu of boiled or burnt meat, mushy potatoes and mushy green beans. One of the best logging or perhaps life experiences a guy could ever hope to have.

Pot issues aren't as critical in Canada as where you live, esp. back then. We have a catch and release policy. A number of your states are ahead of us with sensible legislation re: possession and growing for personal use. Your medical pot dispensaries are an enlightened idea, but Obama is too gutless to put the Feds on side. Putting people in jail for using a drug other than tobacco or alcohol really defies all that democracy and the US and Canadian Constitution stands for. The status quo, IE: 'the (failed) war on drugs' has sadly now become part of our culture. Al Capone dreaded the end of prohibition. "I'll be out of business.' he ruefully commented one time to a newspaper reporter. Organized drug crime is now part of government. Too bad Mr. Capone missed this golden era. Did you know he operated the first soup kitchen in Chicago during the depression?

Yes I believe Perry Mason would take my case. Bill Clinton, yes that Bill, the best Pres. you guys ever had, once admitted to smoking pot in university, but said he didn't exhale! LOL
As long as I could resist blurting out a full court room confession, I'm sure I'd get off. Brian
 

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Brian, you could take your Pitt Lake stories and turn them into a script that would look like the old TV series M*A*S*H*....a little bit of logging, some hair raising rides down the switchbacks, pot cultivation instead of the gin still, water skiing ( behind a crew-boat, I would imagine...very Apocalypse Now ), card playing......professional gamblers cruising the various camps..losing your paycheck on a bad hand.

Did you have any go-go girls brought in?...we're gonna need go-go girls.
 

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Hi Derelict: No 'go go' girls. We were usually so dissipated from the weekend activities that sex wasn't on our minds at work. Well not until about Wednesday anyway.
I'm glossing over the reality that this was a very challenging and dangerous job. Many old loggers said it couldn't be done safely or profitably. Long solid rock trail to be blasted into the mountain. Steep, broken ground, big wood and the lake tow to the Fraser. All major hurdles. We had lunch with death every day. I think death decided to give us a break.

Like the time the Canary, (the guy blowing up rocky bumps on the skid trail) didn't warn us he would be working that day. I was passing over a jagged rock which blew up under the skidder. Wow! I was in limbo mentally for 30 seconds. Lucky it was on the only flat stretch of trail as the skidder rolled to a stop. My ears weren't ringing as much as they just quit working. Got a slight nose bleed. He had just lit the fuse when a black bear chased him down the road, away from me. I didn't see any of this. Apart from a serious sand blasting and a few slight dents on the belly covers, not even a flat tire! It was only half a stick of 40%. No big deal.
There were no crummies. Only a skidder could get up and down that steep, shot rock road on a regular basis. We made a couple of benches that simply hung on the skidder blades. The crew jumped on and away we went. Serious injury we didn't want to think about but it was possible to lay someone on the narrow bench but would have to tie him down securely. Death is not so problematic.
 

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Good one, I forgot all about going to work, heading up the hill riding on the skidder push-blade. Way better than having to hoof it up. Chainsaws and spare parts carried in by the winch and log guards.

Obviously your lucky day when you ran over the dynamite. Is lucky the right word?

You were ahead of your time, decades before soldiers were running over IED's in Iraq and such places...you were getting your licks in with your own armoured vehicle.

Are you sure that the Canary was on your side?
 

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Oh yeah! You got it. Dragging the fuel wagon all the way up to the yarder and hand pumping 3 to 5 hundred gallons was fun too. Looking back, with the benefit of time-filters, it was all fun. LOL
 

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Yeah he was one our side. He was sure apologetic. I told him I would have run from the bear as well, so no worries. Poop happens. He told me he ran down hill as he heard bears aren't as fast running down hill. Lucky the bear was feeling lazy is all that saved him.
 

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I was picking on you about the reefer, Brian. And we can agree to disagree about Clinton. I do envy you for the times you had, and I appreciate the memories you share with us. I was still just a bit too young to get a logger's paycheck when my dad was transferred from Vail to North Carolina with Weyco in '72. I spent a couple years in the North Carolina woods, but it just wasn't the same. I loved those 240,000 acres at Vail with all my heart, and the woods of eastern North Carolina did not even make a half-assed placebo.
 

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Hi Vigilant: If that's your idea of 'picking' you will never be anything but a gentleman. I'm still working on that but only now and then.

As far as Clinton goes, I just assumed most Americans liked him. I think he would still be pres. if it wasn't for the 2 term limit.

I worked for Weyco when I was 21. My first logging job. I had just done 4 years in a steel mill and needed some fresh air. We were logging a mile or so off Lake Superior out of Sault Ste. Marie Ontario. Too much fun! Good grief, they were patient with me! I would get fired once a month for about a year but was always called back. Finally I settled down, sort of. Good company to work for. Well that was my take on them.

I can understand your regrets at leaving the Rockies for flat N.C. but I've found it is the people who make it all worth while no matter where I am.

So move back to Vail. No biggie. Have another adventure. Lash your stereo speakers to the roof of the car, forget the other stuff and head out. The other stuff is mere detail. Just do it. Never let them grind you down.
 

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Vail, WA, not Vail, Colorado. They have pretty much gutted it as far as the shops/offices. Laid off pretty much all the loggers except for road maintenance, from what I hear. I believe they contract all the logging out to Gyppos now, which is good for the little guy, but it's still not the same. It would never be like it was. I couldn't go back. And with politics in Washington State as they are now, I have no desire. The people wouldn't be the same either. I have about 10 years in with the State on North Carolina now, and I'm planning on riding it out until retirement.
 

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Vail, WA, not Vail, Colorado. They have pretty much gutted it as far as the shops/offices. Laid off pretty much all the loggers except for road maintenance, from what I hear. I believe they contract all the logging out to Gyppos now, which is good for the little guy, but it's still not the same. It would never be like it was. I couldn't go back. And with politics in Washington State as they are now, I have no desire. The people wouldn't be the same either. I have about 10 years in with the State on North Carolina now, and I'm planning on riding it out until retirement.


Hi Vigilant: Yeah I can tell your from Washington State. You gave yourself away with the term "gyppo.' A Canadian term.

Washington State is definitely one of the most progressive states in the Union. Now that you mention it, I have to tell you that you came within a blink of being Canadian. Washington State as we know it today was at one time part of the Hudson's Bay Company and therefore part of what was to become Canada. That's why there is a Vancouver Washington!

Oh, don't get me going. Well, I guess I don't need to mention how incredibly stupid the English are. Got doubts? Well check this out! Besides throwing away a large part of Asia, known as India and other areas, they completely screwed up the 13 colonies. N. Carolina being but one. Then due to their arrogance and mind boggling stupidity decided to tax the English pioneers in the colonies to the point of rebellion.

So, jumping ahead a few thousand lives, after the war of independence, about 1777. Some 50 years later, still not getting it, the English decide to further torture their ex-comrades who now call themselves Americans by attacking American ships on the high seas, ( if I have to explain this term I truly give up on your education system ) on the pretext of looking for AWOL English sailors. ( who could blame anyone for going AWOL from the British Navy? )

So the fledgeling Americans decided to declare war on Canada. Thomas Jefferson, ( I refuse to explain who this slave lover was ) who mused "....it would only be a matter of marching" , was one of the signatories to the American Constitution which set in stone that America was not exclusively a Christian country. Hello Pallin and other morons.

Ever wonder why the White House is white? We burned it twice during this unfortunate period. It was painted white to cover up the fire damage. Trust me, I could go on. But I will leave you with this: America did not win the War of 1812. Neither did we. Vietnam was not the first war America lost.

But Canada did lose Upper Michigan and Washington State, a lot of New York and Maine and about 200 miles south of the present border due to the incredible stupidity and short sightedness of England. I'm not even going to mention the Treaty of Paris which saw America, at Tom Jefferson's urging, buy the last of the French connection in N. America, known as the Louisiana Purchase, which incredibly was every thing West of the Mississippi! Yeah, EVERYTHING!

Louisiana Cajun? Means Canadian. Whoa Kemo Sabe! When I tell you that Captain Cook, at Chief Kamehameha (SIC) urging wanted to be part of what was then the British empire, but the goddam stupid Brits said no, I hope you wont be thinking I'm pissed. Of course I am!

Anytime you are in the area and would like to say hello is fine by me. Be prepared to get wrecked.

So your thinking what's my point? My point is there should be no Canada. We are nothing but spoilers and should not be. When one goes into a government building in Canada, one sees the Queen of England's picture! Yeah, she is the leader of Canada. I want to barf on my shoes.

So when I wax long about American politics, trust me, I'm wishin' things would have worked out as they should have!

Brian
 

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I'll bet you have at least one of those Canadian $20 bills with the Queen's bra strap showing, eh?

No time to comment in detail now, but rest assured, I will share some thoughts. Let it suffice to say that back in the day, I suspect you and I would have gotten along quite well.
 

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Hi Vigilant: Glad to know you have taken my unsolicited instructions as only a gentleman would. Thank you for your patience with me.

No doubt I've had many $20 notes with Queenie's bra strap showing. I never had them long enough to notice. Also it has been said that if one looked carefully, the devil's face could be seen in her hair-do. Somebody must have gotten some bad rye bread.

Yes I'm sure we could share a laff or two. I'll get digging into my photos one day ( when I'm feeling strong enough. Too many memories. )and send you a few of the Pitt Lake show. I have only a few and of those, perhaps only 1 is illustrative of the size of some of the logs. It will be of the C-7 at the beach on the flat. Once I got off the steep trail, the machine could not pull the log as it was too heavy for the sandy beach and dug in. I just pushed it into the lake right there and the dozer boat took it away to the bag boom. It was a flawless Western Red Cedar, bucked for grade at less than 40' long and about 10 feet at the butt. That log today would be worth about 30 to 40 thousand dollars. It would not be cut into lumber. Been good talking to you. Stay safe. Brian
 

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My parents took us kids to Vancouver Island back in about 1970. Had a great time. Stayed at a place called Lord Jim's Lodge part of the time. Went to the Chinese Village Restaurant, which we heard was a favorite of Sebastian Cabot. Mom & Dad got each of us kids a brand spanking new $20 with the Queen's bra strap showing. I still have mine in the gun safe.

IIRC, the last part of the way up to Sayward back then was a gravel road. I bothered the heck out of my father, trying to get him to take us up there to see some REAL logging. Unfortunately, my efforts at nagging were unsuccessful.
 

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Hi Vigilant: Hang onto that $20 bill as it may be worth at least that much one day. LOL Lord Jim's is, I believe still there. I don't get to the island much anymore. My gal hates ferries and lineups. Come to think of it, so do I! I'm building an experimental kit plane, a Zenair 750 which will eventually be on floats. I'm planning to see a lot more of 'the island' again if I ever get this thing finished. Slow progress. I keep making changes.

Yes back then there was great opportunity to see 'real' logging just by driving from Sayward to Port Hardy. The highway was the logging road! Cars and buses would drive thru the landing where the yarder was rigged up. I remember having to wait while a turn of logs came flying up to the landing and dropped 100 feet ahead on the road! The chaser jumping around and lots of whistles. The heel boom cable loader with a grapple big enough to grab a 6' diameter log, usually back then a 7220 American shovel rigged up with elevated cab, heel boom and snorkel would throw the logs onto an off-highway truck or just deck 'em. The activities would pause long enough to allow us thru. The trucks were custom built Hayes or Pacific. I think they were built in Vancouver. They were so overbuilt, designed for 100 ton loads that some are still hauling after 40 years. Of course the makers went broke.

Today and for 35 years or so their is a new, paved road from Sayward to Hardy Took all the fun out of the drive. Sayward is not far from Kelsey Bay where MacMillan Bloedel had their camp, shops and log dump. Weyco bought M&B about 20 years ago.
 

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Hi sleddr:

I always liked the Cat 518 wheel skidder. Any thing CAT usually ran well. My only issue was the braking system. I thought it was a bit too complicated. Air compressor for air over hydraulic disc brakes. The brakes were mounted out board where mud and logs could give them a bad time. Maybe the newer units have a simpler, inboard system. All in all a dependable, sturdy log getter in my opinion.
 

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Looks like an old Tree Farmer. (C3?) Note it has "stays" painted on the front. I'll bet this is one the owner didn't want the scrap dealer to take.
 
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