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wsw

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We at Norfolk Heavy Equipment in Ontario Canada help out as many people here as we possibly can. So we would like to ask anyone who can to make some sort of donation to Help Japan after Fridays Tsunami. Wherever you are ther are banks, phone companies, Red cross or someone taking donations, any help appreciated.
Thanks for your time
 

joispoi

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This is a very good cause. Please be careful when donating. Not everyone accepting donations has charitable intentions. Do some quick research on how the donations were distributed for Haiti. Avoid any ''charity'' with a poor performance record. If the money won´t get to where it´s needed, it´s a useless gesture. That said, these people need help.
 

CM1995

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Be generous, but be cautious where you send your money.

I think that is very prudent advice. Unfortunately there are a lot of crooks in this world that love to take advantage of a crisis...:cool2
 

willie59

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My heart goes out to the devastated people and nation of Japan. Since the end of WWII, they have been an unwaivering ally of the U.S. I have a supplier in the Osaka Prefecture area that I purchase undercarriage parts for crawler dumpers. Osaka was not directly affected by the Tsunami, but devastation of that sort can hardly go unfelt. I have sent a well wishing email to my supplier, and it's my hope that Japan recovers quickly from this disaster.
 

wsw

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Yes in this day and age the world pulls together to help one another, It is good that people here care.And as ATCO says they deal with people over there so even though you never meet them you still know them. And I know some of the money gets misappropriated ( why someone would steal that I don't know ) so you have to do some research before donating. Construction people are good people and generally make good money because they work hard. So that makes us trustworthy but do not be fooled and check out the organization if you plan to donate. Donations could possibly be tax deductable but that could depend on where you live.
REMEMBER NATURE COULD STRIKE ANY ONE OF US
 

digger242j

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I've been keeping a close eye on developments over there, and between the quake, the tsunami, and now the possibility of nuclear meldowns, it's a pretty horrendous situation. Anybody that is just shrugging this off should watch some of the video of that wave sweeping across the countryside and try to imagine themselves there.

That having been said, yeah, these thing always draw the scum of the earth out to try and scam you out of your money, so be sure that if you give, it's going to actually go to help those who are so badly in need.
 

Dozerboy

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Well next yer is 2012 so this must be the beginning of the end.
 

watglen

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For those who didn't catch the agenda last night, Duncan Hawthorne (pres Bruce Power ) was on to explain the Japanese reactor situation.

As it happened, the earthquake triggered shutdown on all units, either because of the quake itself or because it was disconnected from the electrical grid. For the first hour(until the flood) everything was fine, and all the units shut down properly, the subsequent core cooling operated perfectly.

Then the water came and washed away the diesel fuel supply for the generators that were running the whole plant. That was the first real issue.

Getting that cooling going is imperative. Without it, the water flooding the core boils off into steam and creates a pressure buildup inside the primary containment vessel. Systems exist to vent that steam into a secondary containment vessel(surrounding the primary vessel. One is inside the other)

With the cooling pumps down and water replenishment unavailable, the water boils away dropping the level till some fuel bundles are exposed above the water. This allows hydrogen to be created. It is vented to secondary containment with the excess steam. Hydrogen is lighter than air so it collects at the top of the secondary containment.

Hydrogen buildup here is a foreseen issue, and the systems to deal with it are in place to burn it off in a controlled manner. However, those control systems operate on electricity.
So the hydrogen builds up until a little spark comes along and you get the big explosions you are seeing on tv. Secondary containment is blown sky high. However, the primary containment is still intact, and holding the really nasty elements.

All this venting puts small amounts of radioactive steam into the atmosphere. But its not like the core exploded, nor will it, nor can it. So right now the issue is keeping cooling water moving through the primary vessel. They have decided that since the units are no longer salvageable, sea water is a good solution. Not sure how they got that flowing, maybe temporary pumps or something. But anyway, Unit 1 is pretty much on its way to being safe, unit 3 temp is coming down, with unit 2 being the most critical right now.

Unit 2 will recover in the same way the other have, it just takes time.

Duncan's bigger concern is that since the backup systems have been destroyed, the rescue of the units is dependent on the actions of the people. Its all back to basics with people doing extraordinary things to keep things working. Most of those people have lost all family, all possessions. They are locked inside the reactor site, and have no idea what has happened to everything they care about.

Their ability to maintain the effort is the biggest issue of all.
 

maddog

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Watglen: from everything that I've been reading and watching in the news the reactors are NOT getting better infact possibly much worse. IWAKI, Japan – Japan's top government spokesman says a partial meltdown is likely under way at second reactor affected by Friday's massive earthquake and there is risk of another explosion at the plant.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said Sunday that a hydrogen explosion could occur at Unit 3 of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear complex. I also heard this morning that there have been 4 explosions not 3??


One story that I watch sunday showed a lady that was holding her daughter when the tsunami hit. The water was strong enough that it yanked her daughter away from her, she has not seen her since{very horrible}
 
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