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Cummins ISX 13Liter sounds bad

walkerv

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anyone got any experience pulling one of these overhead cam engines apart, any special tools absolutely necessary to remove a head if I have to go there. This is a t4 interim engine if a serial number is needed i will provide tommorrow.
 

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We never had any around that lasted long enough for me to get into-so can't help you there.
We have 2 trucks that the bought used and appear to be previously wrecked and deleted by previous owners, so these actually have over 500k on them without throwing a rod. Sounds like this truck dropped a valve or broke a piston ,it isn't good whatever happened to it .I have one more truck to get thru the shop then this one is gonna get backed in , I may end up making a free account with cummins so I can get info .
 

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Now that its cold its just a miss with alot of smoke . Wonder if I just had an injector go bad and when it was hot it was detonating so bad it sound like it was blown up , gonna dig into Monday morning and get the injectors sent off to a fuel shop for testing 20201128_154603.jpg
 

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So I found these 2 chunks of steel in the turbo. This peice went thru cylinder 3 . No clue where it came from yet, 3 injector is beat up .top of piston is beat up . Got intake off dont see nuthen in there . Looks like head is gonna take a crane ride at this point.20201130_143422.jpg
 

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Best porn pictures in awhile :D the more expensive the part is that’s broken the more revealing it is.
 

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Could be wrong but--------------dropped a valve. I don't know of anything on the intake side that could fail and make it's way to a cylinder, I have had the intake off on a 15 liter.
 

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Could be wrong but--------------dropped a valve. I don't know of anything on the intake side that could fail and make it's way to a cylinder, I have had the intake off on a 15 liter.
I looked at everything with a scope even down into the cool side of charge air cooler ,i think that piece now pieces of steel was either left in intake side somewhere on accident and it finally got into engine . Thats all I got for now till head comes off ,hopefully today.
 

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I'm down to pinning the crank, taking cam gears off, **** I have to pull cooling package off there are head bolts under the cams f me . Oh and half the bolts that were in aluminum broke off or ripped the threads out so I have that to deal with as well now 20201201_174338.jpg 20201201_174316.jpg
 

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The part about the bolts snapping and seizing is fairly common on those engines, any external mounted hardware I've had to deal with 10% were a problem.
 

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Thats why the local truck dealers don't fool with these engines they buy a Cummins recon and be done with it .
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I'm also not getting paid 165 an hour to do the work ,bosses cost saving is gonna be a bunch of new hardware and at least a new accessory mounting bracket. Im probably gonna end up doing an inframe with a recon head. I need to order up a couple tools for reassembly. It should be a million mile engine like when they first came out cuz there are various bits and bobs plugged.
 

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I think you need to pull the radiator to get the cams out.
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Yes, and I also believe the entire front structure must come off? We had an ISX that needed front structure resealed, luckily it wasn't the head gasket, which can produce a substantial oil leak that looks like the front cover, FWIW. The bill was $4400, and we were told if the head would have had to come off, it would have been 50 hours of labor instead of 30. The Cummins ISX has to be, without a doubt, the most perfectly designed money-maker in regards to service in the history of engines. Change my mind...
 

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Cams come out the front with chamfered fit gears also need timing wedges to go back together

I was in 2 of those for oil leaks behind the gear train it's strange to look at a set of gears with no timing marks now you want a really good time stuff that motor in an international and find a way to work on it
 

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Yes, and I also believe the entire front structure must come off? We had an ISX that needed front structure resealed, luckily it wasn't the head gasket, which can produce a substantial oil leak that looks like the front cover, FWIW. The bill was $4400, and we were told if the head would have had to come off, it would have been 50 hours of labor instead of 30. The Cummins ISX has to be, without a doubt, the most perfectly designed money-maker in regards to service in the history of engines. Change my mind...

Very true-it is one of the most time consuming engines built even worse than a DD15.
 

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Very true-it is one of the most time consuming engines built even worse than a DD15.

If the bastsrds were good enough to legitimately last a million miles, it wouldn't be so bad. But, in my ISX world, one mile over 500K and you're on borrowed time, and a hell of a lot of them didn't/don't make that.
 
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