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Cost to replace steering clutch brake 450 b J.D

Discussion in 'Dozers' started by dillon45, Oct 29, 2013.

  1. dillon45

    dillon45 Well-Known Member

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    DSC03297.JPG DSC03299.JPG DSC03301.JPG Can someone give an approx, estimate of what it might cost to replace the steering clutch brake on a J.D. 450b, it is a 1970 w/ a dry clutch assembly ?

    The steering lever has about 3 to 4 inches of free travel compared the the other side, and you really have to pull very hard to make it stop the track.

    I realize prices vary from one area to the next, but I'm looking for a approx. price, this way I can save up for the for the repair, also I can't

    do it myself so labor would have to be added. In another post I asked about a 125 international and added some pictures, the guy was asking 5750.00
    for it, but i ended up buying this 450 J.D. instead to my regret.
     
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    You need to find out what the going rate for this work is in your area. Call your local JD dealer, that will give you a price you can compare prices from other shops to, at the same time you can price the parts for this also.
     
  3. Scrub Puller

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    Yair . . . dillon45. I have no knowledge of your tractor but other machines of that era could be fitted with stock brake-band material.

    It used to be available in various widths and thicknesses and was relatively inexpensive. I used to stock it by the roll and cut segments to size and drill and countersink on site . . . then of course they came out with bonded linings and folks thought you had to do the service exchange thing.

    All very well if you lived in civilisation but I have converted quite a few machines by drilling the brake band to take the segments. The segments are normally riveted on with brass rivets but I got more satisfaction out of using brass screws and lightly peening the threads onto the nut.

    This should be quite a simple job and I can't see it would cost much if you do the work yourself. Having said that I have found over the years that lifting the lid on a steering clutch compartment can reveal a can of worms.

    There is usually a reason one brake is wearing quicker. . . hopefully just bad habits or adjustment by a previous operator.

    Cheers.
     
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  4. dillon45

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    Thanks for the reply, I should have bought the International, but have owned J.D. tractors all my life and you know how that go's.
     
  5. Russ

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    Have you tried adjusting the brake? I don't know about the B models, but the C models had a 1 1/2" pipe plug on the side of the, case just above the sprocket, that you removed to get at the brake adjuster. Or you could ask the JD dealer how to adjust the brakes on your model.
     
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    No I have not attempted to adjust it, they say you must follow a specific sequence or you can ruin it or make it worse. I don't have the proper books to refer to and this is
    completely new to me. Tractors, I know a little about, "Dozers" not a clue. I spoke to a J.D. dealer today located a hundred miles away, yes they are the closest.
    The cost of a serviceman to come out, is just over $250.00 and $105.00 an hour. So roughly, were talking in the neighborhood of $500.00 dollars for the service call and 2 hours labor.

    Before calling J.D. I spoke with a old timer who knew quite a bit about these machines, and he told me the only way to go, is to get J.D. to adjust it, or I'm wasting my time
    and money. He was so adamant on this point I have to believe him, plus he don't have a nickel in it.
     
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    I haven't been around one of those much at all, but I'll bet you anything that you'll find better advice (either here, or some other online site) than you can expect to get from the Deere tech who you happen to get sent out. If the adjustment is really that demanding, do you really think a kid with a computer is going to have learned it or done it before?

    Assuming you're not in a hurry, let the dealer worry about the 2 month old combines sitting with dead computers and wait until somebody comes along who knows old Deere crawlers.
     
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    Yiar . . . I think Delmer summed it up pretty well.

    This is a very simple mechanism circa 1970 all you need is instructions as to how to do it right . . . failing that any competent fitter should be able to figger it out.

    Cheers.
     
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    Thanks for your reply. In the "FIRST PICTURE" just above the track is a cover with 3 bolts, I took the cover off and there is a bolt that has something to do with adjusting
    the throw out bearing and pressure plate, than there's is a brake band that is wrapped around the pressure plate that also needs to be adjusted, not to mention under the seat is
    a linkage which operates a hydraulic power steering cylinder which I believe controls the amount of travel in the steering arm.
    My problem is I don't know which is which or how to start the sequence.

    When I started this post I was hoping someone may have a 450 b and had to replace the steering brake, clutch, and P.P. and be able to give some insight on how the process works
    as well as the price for parts and labor.
    The only info. on parts I could find consists of a P.P. throw out bearing , multiple fiber, steel plates and brake band, cost is approx. $700.00, but they all differ somewhat, and you need to have the old parts to reference, also the price is for a "after market kit"
    And no I'm not in a hurry, and sure do hope someone who has a 450b could shed some light on this topic.
     
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    Hey that looks like the same 450 that you were looking at on the other thread dillon45. www.heavyequipmentforums.com/showth...-John-Deere-450-B-would-like-you-re-opinion&h...

    First thing is order a service manual www.jensales.com/John-Deere-450B-Tractor-Service-Manual-JD-S-TM1033_p_81966.html


    I have done this in the past on my buddys 450C but its been to dang long ago . I dont remember it being that big of a deal but then again we were replacing the transmission housing . Had damb near the whole rigg in pieces on that job. Wish I could be of more help. Members tuney443 and stumpjumper83 have 450's . Might send them a pm or they may drop in with advice on the procedure. Found this site & brought back memories of working on my buddys 450. www.antiquetractorsrus.com/Tractorrepairphotos/tractorrepair2.html

    Good luck with the 450 dillon45
     
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    td25, yes it was in that post, I should have bought the 125 International instead, but always have had J.D. tractors so I went with this instead, sure regret that move.
    Thanks for the thread.
     
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    Thought so dillon. Hopefully this is just an adjustment ,Think positive:D Look at it this way.... If your not a mechanic at this time you will be in the near future:) Those were pretty good units and I'm guessing no problems getting parts for today. It looked like it operated decent in the video.
     
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    Yep you took my words
     
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    Yes it sure did look good in the video, however, upon receiving it the right side steering no longer worked like it did, can't understand what might have happened to it, other than
    someone must have used it in a abusive way, go figure, But as you stated it is probably an adjustment.
     
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    its kind of a pain to get to that steering clutch, but if u have the time, break track pull final apart , remove steering clutch, buy adjustment gauge or take to dealer (they will adjust for free if your quick with tongue) reinstall and ull probably get more time before something else comes lose
     
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    Thanks for the reply, but I was hoping that an adjustment would fix it, as i would hate to get involved in that sort of repair this time of year, also it does stop the track but you have to pull
    hard on the steering lever.
     
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    under the seat there is a cover over each steering clutch, inside there is adjustments for both clutch and brake band, beware of breaking the brake band bolt if its rusty in there it happened to me, hard to describe but if u look in there youll understand everything might get some brake but usually at this age it probably needs some serious attention just read earlier posts I think I may be wrong doesn't hurt to try and figure it out.
     
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