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Cat 226B engine replacement

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Hey guys, I'm new to this site and am glad to have found it as it seems like a really good source of information. I bought an 04 226B with a ceased engine with the intent of rebuilding it for less than I can replace it. I bought an overhaul kit from Friday Parts, hope their stuff isn't garbage (I know it's chinese). I've also got a decent amount of money in Cat parts and other things I found needed replaced along the way. The engine is now off the stand and back in the machine and mounted to the frame and I'm having some trouble getting it attached to the hydraulic pump. The pump has 12 lines coming off of it and the attach point is pretty difficult to get to. Has anyone replaced an engine on one of these and if so, is there an easier way to connect the engine adapter with the pump spline than crawling and reaching between all the hoses? Should I have pulled the pump with the motor and join them together and reinstall them both together? I have it very close to lined up but have not gotten any of the bolts started. I went out and bought longer bolts to get the adapter and pump in line with each other rather than trying to just wiggle and push on each side. Would I be better off draining the hydraulic tank and disconnecting all the lines from the pump to get better freedom of movement? Any suggestions are appreciated.Cat 226B 2.jpgCat 226B 4.jpg
 

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Your doing it right. It just ain't easy. I'm sure you have rotated the engine (or pump) to line up the drive splines. Remove the motor mount bolts to let you lift and wiggle the engine as well. I had one come in today that needs a rebuild as well.
 

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Thanks. I went to the Cat dealer and talked to the service mgr about it because I know not long ago he was wrenching in the garage. He basically said the same thing. Disconnect the mounts and set it on a 2 x 4 and get two bolts started at 3 and 9 to line up the spline then just wiggle and turn the crank until it slides together. Appreciate the help.
 

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They are a total see you next Tuesday to get splined back in. I've wrestled with a couple that took over a half hour to get splined in. Just keep at it, you'll get it.
 

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G..G..G..Granville.........!! Fetch your cloth.
Pros & cons of snatching the engine & pump together and then splitting them out of the machine.

If you just pull the engine and it lines up and drops right in on reassembly you are a hero......
If you struggle for 2 days to get it lined up "Why didn't you pull the whole pumps as well.?"
If you pull the whole assembly. "Why did you waste your time doing that.?"

Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
 

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I was installing a engine in a d5c once the coupling fell together. So easy I pull it out again. It was about 45 minutes the second time.......
 

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Removed the mounts from the block today and set it on a block wood. While the additional movement didn’t seem like much, it allowed me to get my hands to the bolt holes easier where I could align the holes with a punch in one hole while starting a bolt in another. Once I got the 3rd or 4th bolt started the two halves just kinda clicked and slid closer together. At that point I was able to get everything tightened by hand.

There was one hole at the engine side 7 o’clock position that is partially blocked by a hose. I used a ratchet strap on the pump side to pull that hose out of the way enough to get it started.

Is there anything I should know about these Perkins engines? I used the same thickness shims on the fuel injection pump. I didn’t have the alignment tool to set the spacing on the oil pump shaft but looked at old pics and lined up the passages with the block. I used a Cat rear seal and head gasket to prevent headaches and was told the original injectors needed overhauled so I replaced them for almost the same price. I had the head rebuilt by a shop. One of the pushrods was clogged up with carbon, the original oil pump shaft was sheared, and it had spun a rod bearing. The hour meter was inop so my guess is the oil changes weren’t happening and no one checked it. Bought it from a demo company that claimed it was getting harder and harder to start.
 

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When I finally got it started after replacing the two fuel pumps (started within 10 seconds of cranking once the fuel lines were primed), I noticed there was oil coming from the exhaust flange between the turbo outlet and muffler (even though I replaced that gasket). The next day when I had more time to run it and put the power to it, I noticed it really smoking out of the exhaust and when I looked at it there was oil spraying everywhere.

When the engine was apart, I checked the impeller on the turbo and it spun freely, so I didn't bother to do anything else with it. Once I saw the oil spraying out of the flange, I figure I have a bad internal seal on the turbo. I pulled the turbo off, the inside of the exhaust manifold was dry, the oil supply line on the bottom of the turbo had oil in it, and the return line on the top was clean so that validated my suspicion. To answer your question Steve, I believe the previous owner ran the oil low from the leak and that caused the bearing to fail and the oil pump shaft to shear. I'm guessing the shaft sheared first and the the bearing failed.

I replaced the turbo and now I have a low oil pressure light on. I put a gauge on the engine and it reads 0 psi. I've verified that the gauge works. I pulled the oil pressure relief valve out and had my neighbor crank it and only get splash oil pressure out of the hole. Also pulled the oil filter and barely anything comes out during cranking.

I pulled the front cover off and removed the idler gear and the oil pump shaft came out with it, no nut on the back end of the shaft. I used to a magnet to get the nut out of the oil pan. The front of the rotor is galled around the front outside edge where it fits against the smaller oil pump gear inside the idler gear. I'm not sure if I have an issue with the o ring on the pick up tube or if I just happened to index the rotor in the block a tad off where the gear mesh between idler and crank is just a little tight and causing the wear.

Evidently the oil pump shaft was spinning with the idler gear and that's what caused the nut to spin loose. I clearly remember tightening this nut inside the block. I also marked oil passages with a paint pen on the front of the block and also on the rotor so during install I could align the oil passages. I did not use the $400 alignment tool to install the pump rotor. Also, I looked at old pictures of when the original rotor was installed before I removed it, and if I put it in wrong, it can't be much. I have pictures of all of these different stages of the teardown and rebuild.

The service mgr at Cat suggested that during the machining when I had the block boiled, maybe the machine shop removed internal plugs where the mfr drills holes to machine the oil passages and water jackets and didn't reinstall them. I'm assuming I'd also have no oil pressure if these plugs were not put back in. These holes would act as pressure relief and therefor not suck any oil from the pan. It never occurred to me to look for these when I put the crankshaft in and verify they were installed. They also never handed me a bag of engine parts that I couldn't quickly identify (old bearings, valves, etc).

I'd love to hear from someone who's familiar with this engine and can shed some light on what's going on.

Thanks.
 

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I did not use the $400 alignment tool to install the pump rotor.
You had some oil pressure with the old turbo, correct? So the pump didn't fail immediately. We have always used the tool, so not sure if it is possibly to successfully install without.
 

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Does anyone have the tool and care to rent it to me? I have another idler gear ready to go in. I'd be happy to ship it back to you after I'm done. I know, you're taking my word for it.
 

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I just priced it through cat and it’s 1200 bucks canadian.
I need one for one use too.
Part number for a 216 with 2.2 is 3010285
 

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We got ours from a Perkins dealer there are 2 different sizes. . . we paid $258
21825626 Shibarua 1.5" oil pump cam tool
 

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After looking at the old pump in block and setting up to install new pump I think all the tool does is align the oil holes.
I talked to our local engine rebuilder that has done these and he said they just align the oil holes by eyeball and press the pump in.
 

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Yes it does align the oil passages in the idler hub with the passages in the block but it also sets the position of the pump shaft with idler gear and sets your gear mesh between the crank and cam. That pump shaft is a little off center on the idler hub, so if everything else was done correctly by me and the machine shop this is the only reason I can see my oil pressure went to zero. Too much pressure side loading against the shaft from not being in the correct position.

The number I’m seeing for the Perkins 3024C engine 2.2 is 241-4232 and from freedom racing it’s $438. That should be the same engine that’s in the 216 model, the only difference is yours doesn’t have the turbo. Correct me if I’m mistaken or if there’s a replacement part number. I do see the 301-0285 as a good part number for $742. Not sure what the difference is. I’ll check with Cat and Perkins tomorrow on effectivity and cost.

I know if I had one in my hand, I have a couple people who could machine a duplicate for less than $400, but I’m sure online companies don’t want to take this as a returned item as they know you’ll most likely only need to use it once only to try and get a refund.
 

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Did you inspect the pin in the front cover on assembly. It indexes a hole in the oil pump cover. The old pin on my cover was broken and is possibly why the engine failed .
If that cover isn’t pinned it rotates with the pump and binds against the pump shaft which would break the shaft.
 

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Measuring the gears and pump it's clear that pump orientation has no affect on gear lash.
 

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Yeah the pin on my front cover is intact and I made sure to line it up when I installed it.

I went on JustAnswer and they said use the tool, put locktite on the threads on the back of the shaft, and pack the pump with grease. Which okay, that’s basically just following the manual. Not sure if I used locktite on the threads, but I know once that shaft is installed there’s only about 1/16” between that shaft and the counterweights on the crankshaft.

I know when I installed the crank and cam with the idler and lined them up on the marks, I turned over the engine by hand a few times just to see if it would spin easily. The manual says not to do this without the front cover on or it could cause damage. I wasn’t sure if not having the cover to hold the idler gear in place with the pin would cause the oil pump to bind. I will say it would turn freely and then get really difficult so I didn’t keep going. This was with the head off and not understanding why there would be any resistance in turning it. Seems to me when building an engine you’d want to verify that everything spins freely in the rotating assembly.
 

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Measuring the gears and pump it's clear that pump orientation has no affect on gear lash.
After looking at everything, this makes sense. The tool only sets the position on the idler hub and pump shaft. The inner rotor will spin as the idler gear spins but the shaft shouldn’t move.
 

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After I put the crank , oil pump and cam in I tried turning the engine by hand and it would bind up and stop turning. I knew the crank would spin free so this is when I noticed the oil pump cover binding.
The pin in the cover was broken off and I managed to get the broken piece out. I used some cardboard inserted in the cover to allow me to see where the pin hole in the pump plate would contact the cover. Alignment was good.
 
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