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New Ride Part Deux

Tradesman

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More fun setting these back on their feet than setting trusses anyway. Let the cowboys tip them I’ll set them back up.
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Around here, that job is taken by a 10-12,000lbs capacity telehandler. Only instead of a operator and a rigger, a rental company just drops the machine off, and everybody and their dog runs it on the jobsite. Any large work site in my area has at least a 8k, but most are a 10k now. They have taken a lot of work away that used to be done by smaller cranes. I think I average setting 1 back on its tires a year that someone has tipped over.

The increased regulations for crane operators, has pushed the work to "forklifts", because forklifts require no certified operators or riggers. It may not be the safest way to work, but it requires the least paperwork.:rolleyes:

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Around here, that job is taken by a 10-12,000lbs capacity telehandler. Only instead of a operator and a rigger, a rental company just drops the machine off, and everybody and their dog runs it on the jobsite. Any large work site in my area has at least a 8k, but most are a 10k now. They have taken a lot of work away that used to be done by smaller cranes. I think I average setting 1 back on its tires a year that someone has tipped over.

The increased regulations for crane operators, has pushed the work to "forklifts", because forklifts require no certified operators or riggers. It may not be the safest way to work, but it requires the least paperwork.:rolleyes:

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Same here - every job site has a 6K or 8k rented by the GC for pretty much everyone's use. However there are certifications required to run one per OSHA regs, just no body abides by the regs unless they get busted.:cool:
 

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Around here, that job is taken by a 10-12,000lbs capacity telehandler. Only instead of a operator and a rigger, a rental company just drops the machine off, and everybody and their dog runs it on the jobsite. Any large work site in my area has at least a 8k, but most are a 10k now. They have taken a lot of work away that used to be done by smaller cranes. I think I average setting 1 back on its tires a year that someone has tipped over.

The increased regulations for crane operators, has pushed the work to "forklifts", because forklifts require no certified operators or riggers. It may not be the safest way to work, but it requires the least paperwork.:rolleyes:

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Up here its an 8 hour course to run one and voila! You're a super operator that knows it all, done it all and has seen it all!
 

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At one time when I worked for the Cat dealer I had to get the standard mast type forklift certification and they also had one for squirt booms as well. I don't know what happened but the Cat dealer never required one for those and they were used all the time. Does anyone know if they are required on a construction site in Washington?
 

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At one time when I worked for the Cat dealer I had to get the standard mast type forklift certification and they also had one for squirt booms as well. I don't know what happened but the Cat dealer never required one for those and they were used all the time. Does anyone know if they are required on a construction site in Washington?

Not that I know of... yet... but it's been a little while since I been on a *real* job ;) Last osha class I took for manlifts I think the guy touched on the subject and said as long as the delivery agent/trainer ;) gives the 5 minute orientation/walkaround in regards to gradalls/tele's then you're good to go ;) because he is also mandated to instruct you to go through and understand the operations/safety manual.
 

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Around here, that job is taken by a 10-12,000lbs capacity telehandler. Only instead of a operator and a rigger, a rental company just drops the machine off, and everybody and their dog runs it on the jobsite. Any large work site in my area has at least a 8k, but most are a 10k now.
That's fine until you are moving 20k lumps around on a regular basis ......... Last count we had close to 10 TH's on site, but they won't do what we need this thing to do. Horses for courses as usual. Typical thing could be a 16k pound engine that the Franna can pick up, carry, and install into the machine without the need for any other assistance.
 

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Any lift I have ever asked them to do, they have never refused due to excess articulation angle.
I found it interesting, the load chart that nige posted up shows three different charts for every radius, straight ahead, articulated at 25% and articulated at 40%. That would be interesting to be driving around loaded up and try not turn too far. The charts are all at 66% capacity though, so if you do end up in trouble, you knew you were headed that way anyways.

That's fine until you are moving 20k lumps around on a regular basis ..
Yes, I can see one of those being ideal for your use. I was more commenting on all the franna's seen in australia, on all the job sites, and how in the U.S. that's a telehandler. I bet its going to work great for you guys.

I don't think terex even imports those to the U.S. In fact, terex has kind of abandoned the U.S. market, they sold their boom truck line, ceased all rough terrain and truck crane manufacturing, and sold their allterrain/ demag line to tadano. They still make RT's in europe (italy I think), and I think they are going to import those.

With the abandonment of manufacturing here and the resulting loss in value for anyone having a newer one (abandoned lines don't sell well), they are going to have to be super cheap to get anyone to buy one.
 

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Has a retracting counter weight ..

I thought from the other picture of it lifting a helicopter that it looked like that counterweight dropped back. That picture shows how it works, I was going to do a little more looking for pictures, but that saved me some time, thanks.

So that thing would have 4 winches, block, ball, boom and counterweight?

I also liked the snatch blocks up on the boom, I imagine those are for attaching tag lines too, for that rolling pitching deck. :)
 

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Static lift of 75,000 pounds + 10,000 pound aux hoist. able work on a rolling pitching deck...

Specifications here >>
http://navyaviation.tpub.com/14014/css/Crash-And-Salvage-Equipment-218.htm

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Looks like Letourneau. They built some interesting things. They always seemed to use pipe for a lot of the structural components.
The Franna looks pretty handy Nige. Just have to watch backing up with a load, ive seen a couple of pick and carry s doing fine with a load until they back up.
 

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Been a sad couple of days for Frannas in Nth Qld. with a worker tragically losing his life after another hit power lines the day before and only 100km from the rollover.
 

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I saw a article on the electrocution, thats a sad tragic event.

I've never driven a franna, but I'm guessing they would be much like a articulated rubber tire loader, and a loader can be a little twitchy at high speed.

What kind of road speed would a franna be traveling at? I could look up the specs, but the specs on the road speed of my rt crane aren't very close to what it will really travel, it won't do anywhere close to its top speed because of tire bounce.

Are they rolling 30mph, 40 mph, 50 mph? I couldn't see really 50mph, just looking at the machines and how they steer.
 

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I saw a article on the electrocution, thats a sad tragic event.

I've never driven a franna, but I'm guessing they would be much like a articulated rubber tire loader, and a loader can be a little twitchy at high speed.

What kind of road speed would a franna be traveling at? I could look up the specs, but the specs on the road speed of my rt crane aren't very close to what it will really travel, it won't do anywhere close to its top speed because of tire bounce.

Are they rolling 30mph, 40 mph, 50 mph? I couldn't see really 50mph, just looking at the machines and how they steer.
You'd be amazed. The old frannas weren't good for much speed, but the new ones (and the NZ-made Tidd cranes) will do 90km/h, which I think is somewhere close to 50.

What I find a little awkward when driving them, is that although they are built similarly to a loader, the operater sits in front of the articulation joint instead of behind it. It makes it a little trickier to keep track of how tight you're steering
 

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90 kmph is 55 mph, I think that would be plenty fast for how it steers. 30-40 would to me be a more comfortable speed. You wouldn't want to sneeze with your hand on the wheel at 90kmph, I think you'd be in the ditch in a hurry.
 

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It's when they get a bounce on that things go pear shaped. There's been a couple of Tidds go into paddocks around here, one rolled over, one unscathed
 
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