245dlc
Senior Member
You also don't have the cold weather in Idaho like we do in many parts of Canada I know people that have had DEF lines and tanks freeze even with half a tank of DEF in the system like what's recommended by the stealerships.
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Kubota SSV65 EGR & DPF deletes?
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BigWrench55
Senior Member
Def will freeze it’s something like 90% water. When you shutdown your machine and you hear that pump running. That is the def pump pulling all of the def fluid back into the tank. At the same time it’s also pulling a vacuum to test the system for leaks. The tank has heater lines from the engines cooling system. You can still run your machine with frozen def fluid. So long as you don’t idle it for long periods of time. Like willie59 said. If you are running it hard then your exhaust should be hot enough to do what is called a passive regen and doesn’t require def fluid.
willie59
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Another quirk I should add. We had a new Morooka dumper with a Cat engine on rent at a job in WV for several months. During that period I had to call a local Cat mechanic to deal with DEF issue. Long story short, after talking to a number of people involved to come to a conclusion I determined that the job site "rules" required all operators to turn equipment battery disconnect switches to the OFF position when they shut down their respective machine. Well, this interrupted the DEF purge cycle mentioned by Paul Council, sent that Cat system into flip out mode on next start up. Machines that have ECU/keyswitch controlled battery disconnects don't have this problem, but on this job site, if the machine has a manual switch battery disconnect it was a problem. Again, have to educate the end user.
245dlc
Senior Member
Yeah it doesn't always work out this way -40 is -40 things freeze and break those heaters only work when the engine is running these stupid systems are designed for warmer climates not for Northern climates. Hence why so many people are deleting this crap our here. And recently some manufacturers including crapapillar re-released some machines with tier 3 engines.
rondig
Senior Member
I got my v3800 deleted...the guys used the dealer program for testing emissions...it turns all the crap off...then they did an egr and cooler delete..but there is no warrenty.
I am 90 miles Yellowstone, believe me I know what cold is. There is no question DEF adds more things to go wrong and life without it is much less complicated, but frozen DEF at -40 is the same froze at -20 or 0 degrees. They are designed to run without using DEF until the DEF is thawed out. The machine cant idle at low rpm for extended periods of time or you will have issues. Unless the laws are different up there I doubt CAT can release tier 3 engines in new machines. Engines made after a certain date have to be Tier compliant. If it were that easy to get around being Tier compliant nobody would be putting Tier 4 Final engines in their machines.
245dlc
Senior Member
Yes the laws are different here and yes -40 does make a difference from -20. I know several people that have bought new equipment because it was tier 3 and one of them was a brand new Cat 420F backhoe on a powerline crew, another fella I know just got a brand new New Holland C238 CTL with a tier 3 engine. And then last year (2018) we rented a brand new JD180GLC with a tier 3 engine.
Canadian_digger
Senior Member
Brand new 2018 with tier 3. Got it in November 2017. As far as I know you can no longer get tier 3 as of Jan 1 2019 in Canada unless the dealer has a new one sitting on the lot. One way to know if a Deere backhoe is a tier 3 it has a smaller diameter exhaust pipe and a tier 4.
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Canadian_digger
Senior Member
Brand new 2018 with tier 3. Got it in November 2017. As far as I know you can no longer get tier 3 as of Jan 1 2019 in Canada unless the dealer has a new one sitting on the lot View attachment 190750View attachment 190750
92U 3406
Senior Member
Its kinda funny I thought you guys were off your rockers saying Tier 3 in brand new machines. Then I looked at a new 420F2 backhoe and the thing looked like it still had a mechanical throttle linkage on the injection pump.
rondig
Senior Member
My 2018 nh c227 is the last of the non tier 4...that is why i bought it...after jan 2019 no more....i will just keep rebuilding everything till i retire....everything i have is 2017 or newer...except dump truck so hopefully i can keep everything running for 10 more years lol....doubt it....but nice dream.
Have an intermittent E 9400 on SVL90-2, machine shut down. Manual says contact dealer immediately. Can't find a diagnostic manual for these codes, spent 56 minutes on phone with Kubota corporate and they couldn't say for sure what manual or if it was even available, another dealer said there is no manual that covers these codes. Is there a DM for these?
That's good to know, as I'm looking at picking one of those up. Any other issues? The SVL90-2 has the v3800 engine, correct?
Did you figure this out?
tool_king
Senior Member
What engine do you have in your machine? I might have a book on it
Kubota_90_2
Member
I had the same code E 9400 on SV:90-2 and the machine shut off. would not turn over (just a click) . after setting for an hour it started up but was it was skipping real bad. able to get it back to the shop yesterday. Tried to start it up today to move it and it would turn over but would not start. So I figured it had to be something with the fuel system so I changed the fuel filter and took the glass filter off and cleaned out all of the parts on it. Started it up and it seems to be running fine now. Used it for 1 hour today with no problem and no codes.