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Found this picture on the internet. ITS NOT MY JOB this is what can happen when you don’t give big trusses enough respect.
Avoiding this is what the “ nail benders “ are doing when you’re sleeping in the cabC0ED41BA-6FD2-4F43-AF6A-6CBA631C602C.png .
 

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IMG_2672.JPG I finished up the condominium I was working on today my last picks where putting two skids of 5/8" t&g spruce plywood on top of the elevator shaft. They are a really good bunch of guys but not one of them could give hand signals, I was working in the blind most of the time and all I got for signals where kinda vague finger points in the general direction they wanted it, so being really patient like I am I would just go really slow in the direction they where pointing until the signal changed. Some of these guys have been in the trade for 10-15 years how can you not have any idea! The last time I was there I even gave a couple of the guys signal cards and a brief explanation ( being real carful not to be critical)
 

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IMG_2671.JPG I'm going to keep this picture in my favourites to whip out when someone asks me to do something stupid.
 

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Those guys at vertikal never know what they're talking about. You would think that being a "crane" magazine, they would do better, but they don't.

He actually wasn't probably running short outriggers on the side he went over on. What happens in a overload condition, is that the crane starts to get up on its outriggers, and then the weight isn't pushing down on the outriggers, but the whole crane is pushing on the cylinders that telescope the beams out. The whole rig gets "up on its toes", the telescope cylinders on the beams don't have holding valves on them, and it just slams the beams in as it comes over.

The big all terrains actually have lock pins on the outrigger beams that you install, locking the beams in the out position, so they can't slide in. None of the smaller boom trucks or truck cranes have them, and its not a problem until you get overloaded over the side and the rig climbs up. I think the oil then just bypasses in the control valve, or the cylinder itself, because the beam telescope cylinder system isn't made to handle that kind of load pushing on them to retract.

Then the guys at the magazine look at the pictures: " Hey- he's a big dummy and is picking over the side with the retracted outriggers". If they were actual "crane" people, instead of "magazine" people, they would know better.

This isn't to say I haven't seen pictures of cranes that went over on short outriggers, usually a RT setting jersey barriers on a highway project, or AT's getting out of the boom dolly. But when you see the outrigger beams on the other side standing clear up in the air, you know the other side was out too, and the weight of the crane slams them in. There's no way he even gets that much boom shot out over the side with the riggers retracted.

So why don't the boom trucks and smaller truck cranes have bigger cylinders or holding valves and lock pins on all the beams? Because they will do chart without them. That would cost more $ to build them that way. And the operators probably wouldn't use them anyways. I've run into outfits that never lock them on their AT's, because it "takes too long", or that they actually don't know what they are for, so never use them.

All that said, its just a good thing no one got hurt. I hate seeing iron laying on its side.
 

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Manitex, at least the 22101S series, has pins to lock in the position of the outrigger beams, at least in the middle position. I can't recall if they also had them when fully extended. I do know we never used them, and got away with it. Unless you had help, they were a pain to line up just right. We also didn't go past the chart. Good explanation of the post accident outrigger position!
 

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B17A17FF-A91C-4490-BE58-7817127D044B.jpeg I had a bit of good luck today. I had a customer buy this for me so I could put him up to service his internet towers that he has on the side of silos. NICE!
 

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0E5BFFA0-B7AE-409A-955A-FB3C96292849.jpeg My very first pick with my new boom truck
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The really sad part is I had to drive 3 1/2 kilometers on wet gravel, so sad
 

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Are your rear tandems over 34 K lbs.? I go across the scales at the port of entry at 34,300 lbs normally, this subjects me to fines and/or paying 16 cents a mile and that adds up quick. If I leave my rear rack pads/dunnage in the shop, and run the boom out 3' or so, I go across at 33,800. Only since I installed the 1400 lb. counterweight has it been this tight, just wondering how that 30112S weighs in.
 

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It’s not the most luxurious cab I’ve been in, it’s about another 25 k for the upgraded tilt cab. Once I was in this one it felt nice with everything in the right place and really good visibility.
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I was just looking at this picture, I don't think I've ever run one with the boom control lever all the way to the right, and the winch closer to me. Usually the winch lever is all the way to the right (or maybe on just the ones I've run). If it was me I'd have to be swapping levers or hoses around.

Glad you got out on a job with the new rig. Did you spend a couple hours in the yard getting used to it, or did you just wing it?
 

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I was just looking at this picture, I don't think I've ever run one with the boom control lever all the way to the right, and the winch closer to me. Usually the winch lever is all the way to the right (or maybe on just the ones I've run). If it was me I'd have to be swapping levers or hoses around.

Glad you got out on a job with the new rig. Did you spend a couple hours in the yard getting used to it, or did you just wing it?
I just got It home late yesterday, then had to be on one of our jobs till 11:00 today and had to put all my rigging on it, I only got about 15 minutes on it before I went to my first job. The boom control and winch are like a dream compared to my Elliott " smooth as glass" and the winch control has a thumper in it, today is the first time I've ran anything with a drum speed indicator in it " nice". I'm not entirely happy with the swing control I think it's something in the pilot circuit, I talked to the mechanic at 5:30 today and my salesman phoned me from home after hours and said they'll send a service truck and make it wright. That's the number one reason I bought off them there service is great.
Oh you asked about the new down haul weight, it has a grease-able swivel bearing. It doesn't look like it but there is a grease nipple on it and give her a twist and its spins like a top.
The way the winch and boom are layed out is the only way I've ever been used to.
 

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If you've never had rotation indicator (thumper) on your winch, you've really been missing out. You can run in the blind, and kind of without even looking at it.

Is it free swing or friction swing?
 

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Are your rear tandems over 34 K lbs.? I go across the scales at the port of entry at 34,300 lbs normally, this subjects me to fines and/or paying 16 cents a mile and that adds up quick. If I leave my rear rack pads/dunnage in the shop, and run the boom out 3' or so, I go across at 33,800. Only since I installed the 1400 lb. counterweight has it been this tight, just wondering how that 30112S weighs in.
I'm not sure about the split on the weight, but I think it weighs 48,000 and change. 20,000 fronts and 40,000 rears with 46,000 rear suspension. I'm not a truck guy but that's what I understand from reading the specs.
I'm pretty lucky I've never had to cross a set of ministry scales.
 

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If you've never had rotation indicator (thumper) on your winch, you've really been missing out. You can run in the blind, and kind of without even looking at it.

Is it free swing or friction swing?
Friction
Between the better controls and the thumper now I don't live in fear of someone asking for a 1/2" on the winch.
 

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In the picture you can see the short line with a hook on it I use it on trusses a lot it keeps the ball out of the guys face on the peak.
Oh and the counter weight that's nice too. In one of the pictures I was picking up a 2,000 lb. gable set at well over 60 ft. (can't remember for sure and don't want to lie) off the side and NO ARSE PUCKER it was solid as a rock. Crane op once told me don't always blame yourself and after today Im starting to see what you meant, I'm still a long way from a star but this is nice
 
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I was just looking at this picture, I don't think I've ever run one with the boom control lever all the way to the right, and the winch closer to me. Usually the winch lever is all the way to the right (or maybe on just the ones I've run). If it was me I'd have to be swapping levers or hoses around.

I’m not 100% sure but I think that the ASME standard says this is the proper control layout, Grove keeps building them with the winch on the far right though. Throws me off every time I jump into one, every now and then I go to boom down and hold the load to find I’m booming up and holding it.
 
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