Dumb accident

RollOver Pete said:

From the looks of where the Cat is on the trailer, maybe loading it more to the front would have prevented it from fish tailing? Not enough tongue weight makes it happen every time.

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Kevin

Anybody driving a Dodge, is a danger to himself and others.

From one of our local hire yards:

Hello Gentleman, my first post so i hope i dont step off the deep end here, but someone asked "wonder how many people know how to recover from Wig Wag or whatever he said... short story... had a mini ex from a local rental place about 2 miles from my house, well i did what i had to do with it and looked at the clock and had 12 mins to go before thet closed for the day and i had to pay another day rental, so i load it back up on trailer with only 1 chain on the front, Yes i know very stupid and was a bad decision on my part, so anyway get about halfway back and goin around 40 mph if it didnt start to fish tail bad and i mean bad almost a 45 degreee angle. From what little expierence i have towing , i throttled up a bit to try to get trailer straight worked pretty well but was still fishin so as i let off throt. i did some stab braking to try and get it straight. well got it pulled over with no damage anywhere. check trailer to see why this happend and see the one chain i used broken and ex all the way at the rear of trailer. anyway was that the correct means of regaining control? thanks ron... ps take it easy on the flaming please... Ron

Welcome to HEF Dieselglory! :drinkup

I've always hit the trailer brake control when this has happened, then repositioned the load to balance it properly.

Welcome to HEF.

i think what people have said is right. the rental yards need to do a little restricting on the vehicial used to pull something with. i say that because some people get big heads when they have a "truck", they think they can pull anything they want to pull. ointhead then we have the issue of does the driver know how to pull a trailer i learned quickly at a young age how to load a trailer and pull it. making sure the togune weight was right and everything was secured well. how to correct a fishtail properly and stop straightly on ice(if there is such a thing :beatsme at least i think i can). in short though i think that people need to take responsibilty for their own actions. just look around at all the warning labels we have stuck to EVERYTHING. society needs to let nature take its course to weed out some of the idiots out there.

I can see this happening quite easily lol.

I was pulling a Skid steer i had just bought at an auction with a trailer, on my 1 ton dump truck, anything over 45 mph, and that trailer would go crazy and start slipping and sliding all across the road.

I can easily see it flipping, and taking the truck with it.... if the driver was that stupid, not to ease off the gas and glide back down to speed again.

I guarantee he caused this by braking in fear after seeing the trailer swerving all over the road.

This is how I imagine he did this.

Trailer started swerving all over the road, fool didnt have correct trailer brake power setup properly.

So trailer is at a bad angle, he slams on his brakes, very heavy skid steer + trailer effect trailer brakes. The trailer brakes didnt provide enough stopping force to bring the weight off the truck, and truck stopped faster than they were capable, Threw the rear of his truck sideways, throwing his entire truck going diagonally across the highway and flipping as he over corrected.

Its amusing in a bad sorta way

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Dunno,but I know he was pulling more than he should have been,no trailer brakes either I will bet.ointhead

I saw almost the exact same thing happen comming out of the bobcat dealer in Biloxi Ms... Guy buys a brand new loader, I think it was a T250 or something of the like, and he is driving a F150 with a trailer that MIGHT hold the loader. They tell him time and time again, even I SAID it was not a good idea to the guy, and he just shrugged us all off. Loaded up the loader, chained it down (he did this ok, so i will give him a tiny bit of crdit), and left... The dealer is right off of I10, and I would say about 5 minutes later we hear this horrible screeching sound, its him and the trailer is ALL over the road... it takes him off the side of the road and into the woods as the trailer passes the truck... hammered the bed of the truck, trailer messed up, you name it... the loader did just fine thouh.

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You still hate to see something like that.I mean try to explain that thats not the smartest thing to do with a half ton truck thats not even tow rated for the weight of a bobcat,no trailer brakes and he still wont listen to reason even when the bobcat people tell him its a really bad idea to try that.On the other hand you got to admit he learned a hard lesson the expensive way,and I guess he willl listen the next time someone says hey dude bad idea. Maybe.:usa

Rental yards should examine very carefully the towing vehicle before they let Daryl-Daryl{no offense to any smart Daryls out there} hook up to their trailer or if they come in with their own trailer.I see stupidity all the time when I'm at my friend's rental yard.I've talked to him till I'm blue in the face--he just doesn't get it.On the flip side,a friend of mine tried renting a tow dolly to move a car from U-haul.Their stupid computer said his truck wasn't heavy enough to hook up to their little dolly trailer.It certainly was--he got it elsewhere.

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Yup,rental stores should have pretty strick guidelines about stuff like that,so do but most dont.Till some one gets hurt or worse and the store is sued they wont learn or listen.IMO.:usa

one thing you should check is the tire pressures on the truck and trailer.
usually i max out the pressure. soft tires flex too much and can cause side-to-side motion.

First let me say that I AM NOT DEFENDING DAKOTA BOY!!!
That said, It is possible to haul in excess of the door sticker safely, with the right training and experience.
I'm a hotshotter. I run a one ton dodge and a 53' gooseneck, plated for 45,000 GCVW. (this is being replaces with an F-800)
The key is experience and training. Knowing where to place the load on the trailer, and how to handle a heavy load with light equipment.
Not being equipped with a brake controller is a huge red flag. Lack of trailer brakes is about 65% of the cause of the mess in the pictures. I cant judge the other 35% without seeing where the load was positioned before the wreck.
Rental trailers are notorious for being abused by people constantly. Given the weight of the trailer and load vs. the weight of the tow vehicle, even a small misalignment in the trailer axles could have started a back and forth sway that took over when the driver hit the brakes.
I deliver equipment for a few rental companies, and there's one locally that I know will refuse to rent to a customer if they don't have the right equipment to haul the rented equipment, and they won't spring for delivery.
I was in there one day unloading two large compressors, and some guy was calling the owner every name in the book, because he wouldn't let the guy haul a skid steer on what amounted to a home made wreck of a trailer that had no brakes or lights, and mobile home axles under it.

Hi Everyone,

I must say that I agree with almost everything people have written above. I think the driver should be responsible for his own vehicle. If the guy was trying to pull my tractor away with that rig, I would check that he had brakes, on the trailer, and actually had driven with a trailer before.

Believe it or not, in California, that load would require a class A license. To tow any trailer with a GVW greater than 10,000 Lbs requires the commercial class A drivers license. I know that's how I got my Class A. Yes it was a fix it ticket. And yes I was able to take the driving test with my F350, and my empty tag trailer with a 14000 GVW. I later added the air brake endorsement when I bought my Ford L9000.

One other item, about the way that machine was chained down. Although it did work fine, the pictures prove that. The California Highway Patrol started requiring a minimum of four seperate tie downs for each machine. So you need to have at least two binders on the front and two on the back. If you wnat to move two machines on a trailer, there needs to be eight binders. If you are moving an excavator, backhoe, or boom lift, etc. there must be an additional chain on the boom. I have heard from my lowbed company that it is about a $600 ticket for the first offense. I am lucky, I never have been stopped for this one.

Just a little heads up for everyone.

Thanks,

RT

Not to get off subject too much , but I aggree with steve. There are too many people to stupid to recognize that they have to take resposibility for themselves. Even if the rental yard did tell him to stop , he didn't. What are they supposed to do beat him to the ground and restrain him? Then they would be brought up on assault charges.
Is it the keyboards fault I mispell words?
A few years back we had a dwi case near here that the driver left his motel drunk , drove down the highway and crashed into a tow truck driver picking up a broken down vehicle on the side of the road. Luckily no one was killed.
the idiot behind the wheel had the hotel manager in court saying he should have stopped him when he checked out. The manager did call the cops! It was the tow truck drivers fault that he got hit because of the flasshing lights, and it was the broken down vehicles owner fault because had his car not broke down , the tow truck wouldn't have been there with the flashing lights and he wouldn't have hit anyone. Thank god they had some people on that jury with common sense. They locked him up!!

Not only are there to many people that don't take resposibility for their actions, too many of them think they can get a free ride because of their stupidity! :soapbox
I'll get down now.

Nothing to do with hualing, just taking responsability for ones actions.

On aol news yesterday (I didn't read story) there was a story of some moron that is suing a florist for $1,000,000. Jist of it is I guess he is getting devorcided because wife found out about affair through florist. Dont know if flowers were sent to wrong place or just the bill. Like I said didn't read story. But it seems to me he's the idiot that was cheating and got cuaght not the florist.

the rental yards around here will not let you leave their yard with out the proper equipment to haul what you are renting they will not tie it down for you but they will loan you chains to tie it down right to use their trailer you have to have a 3/4 ton or larger truck with a 2 5/16 ball

PSDF350 said:

Nothing to do with hualing, just taking responsability for ones actions.

On aol news yesterday (I didn't read story) there was a story of some moron that is suing a florist for $1,000,000. Jist of it is I guess he is getting devorcided because wife found out about affair through florist. Dont know if flowers were sent to wrong place or just the bill. Like I said didn't read story. But it seems to me he's the idiot that was cheating and got cuaght not the florist.

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It's people like this that make me wish God would dump some bleach in the gene pool.:guns