McAninch pull type scrapers

They are hurting I hear? Started selling a few things. When they were in Branson thier Maintance on everything was 2 million a month.

It does seem that they are hurting. I've heard they are having two more sales this year, one at the Des Moines shop and one in Kansas. They are moving the corporate offices to the shop and have moved everything out of the weld shop and put it up for sale. They have drastically reduced the number of crews they are running also. None of it sounds good.

Yup pretty much what I heard for the President of T.J. Lambrecht. I know when I was working for Kolb they were bidding aganist us and were always at least 6 million above us. D10's and D11's in 3rd gear is not how you make money. Them 5110's are junky to reason why Cat quit making them and only produced 7.

They produced a few more than 7 bud and the 5110 was actually not to bad as far as 5000 series reputation went.

From what I read Caterpillar stopped producing the large mining excavators because the cost of development was so high and not worth competing head on with the likes of Hitachi, Komatsu, Liebherr etc. Instead they found development on smaller machines like Skid-Steers, mini-excavators, and other compact equipment more profitable. I dont know myself if the 5000 series was junk as machines of that size are virtually non-existent here in Manitoba. The biggest we've had around here are 385's and 800 size machines. I personally prefer the older technology 245's I ran a couple of 365's and 375's and still found a 245 in decent shape to be faster. Though the 365's and 375's had much nicer cabs. lol

I agree with you 245dlc. When Cat just made 4 excavators the 215, 225, 235 and 245 they where the best machines around. I know that there where some other models back then too, but the big 4 where good machines to run and maintain.

Thought they only produed 7 with the track hoe configuration not shovel? Either way McAninch had a hard time keeping them together. That and the maintenace with running D10's and D11's in 3rd gear.

Yeah running in to high a gear all the time can burn out a tranny pretty quickly. You almost need a Cat with a tranny built to run at higher speed for that kind of earthmoving. Around here we're starting to see D8's with scrapers being replaced with heavy tracked ag tractors pulling two smaller scrapers at least when they're stripping topsoil. And some of the newer scraper arrangements have almost as much capacity as the old D8's but they use multiple tires to spread the weight out. The front shovels that Cat produced back then were just based on 235 and 245 machines not really much conversion was done other than a different boom, stick, and bucket and maybe where the boom connected to the rest of the machine for mounting a different boom I saw a 245 shovel once in Calgary I think it was by the side of a road for sale presumably.

Kman9090 said:

Thought they only produed 7 with the track hoe configuration not shovel? Either way McAninch had a hard time keeping them together. That and the maintenace with running D10's and D11's in 3rd gear.

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Only 1 shovel was ever built and only as a prototype, the prototype 5110 HEX actually had twin bucket and stick cylinders but went to single for production. It shared a lot of 5130 stuff, swing drives, control valves etc so was over engineered.

Ok well yeah guess I was wrong about that. Yes we have been using ag tractors for years now and pull anywhere from 1 to 3 17yard to 21 yard pans with them. They are so much cheaper to run over twin engine scrapers or Cat and Pans. Kolb Grading went as far as putting steel tracks on their on thier John Deere 9630 Ag tractors to compete with McAnich's Cat and pans.

Before the D10s & D11s

McAninch's spread in the mid 1960s, even then they just loved the pull pans.
A fine bunch of specimens by anyones standards
Dwayne McAninch on the laft talks to the Cat undercarriage rep.
All cable too - ahhh those were the days....

Anybody know the significance of the modification to the apron sheave tower
on the center machine ? :beatsme
Enjoy

cats & pans

alan627b said:

These pics were taken here in Omaha in 2006, they were doing a shopping center here. Here are some other pics from the job, they had a number of D8-9-10's with pans, 631 and 641 pull pans. I never actually got to see the D11 working, unfortunately....

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alan627b; great shots, they must be awesom to see working live i cant remember seeing anything like that round this area in forever. keep them comming if you can. thanks ts-24frank

These were taken on job I was on in Hallum, Nebraska, last spring. D8R and an unknown pan, I believe it was converted from a Cat 621. No manufacturer markings on it. I don't see too may Cat and can combinations around here, and Big Mac hasn't been in my area lately.
Alan

That's not big mack thats Kissick from KC, MO I know Jim well great people. Tractor and Pan are from Evans Equipment, I also know Tom and his boy's well, not sure of the spelling but the pan is manafactured by Kukudo :beatsme or something like that.

Greg in KC

Alan,

I don't think that scraper is a Kokudo 15SBW, I'm more inclined to say that it's one of the Cat 621 conversions done by Noble.

I've pulled a few Kokudo's in my time and none looked like that one

Well Evans had several of these for quite some time before they sold all of them they are a 23SP

Greg in KC

Looks for all the world like a 621 bowl to me...(the one in the first pics that is).

Greg in KC...I know that wasn't big Mac, I was working for Kissick in Hallum.
They only used that scraper one time in the 8 weeks I was there, worked it after a big rain when all the cuts were mud.
As to the Kissick experience, I guess I have a different slant on that. I worked for them for 8 weeks, came in one Monday to be told I was being let go, no reason given. It had rained very hard the night before, and I wasn't going to drive 92 miles 1 way to find out IF we could work, I called in as I was told to do, as close to start up time as I could, to get someone to answer the phone.
Arrived about an hour after normal start up to be told I was being let go. They could have told me on the phone and saved me a 1/2 a tank of gas, when gas was $3+ per gallon, and mailed the damn check.
Kenny, my immediate foreman (last name unknown, and the sooner forgotten completely the better) , had a little brown noser buddy who spent his time sticking his nose in everyone's business instead of running the scraper as was his job.
One of our other Local's guys (there were 3 of us there, the rest were Kissick's guys), who is a way better operator than me, got run off in a similar fashion. Then the brown noser wound up fired too. HA! Complete BS.
I can handle being let go, if there is a good reason, but I never got one.
No write ups, or reprimands, as was their stated policy.
I think the situation was that they had a lot of "their" guys sitting around KC with nothing to do at the time, and probably didn't like having to hire "our" guys for that job.
Maybe they are good to work for, maybe not, but I won't work for them again.
Hope that won't ruffle your feathers.

Alan

Allen,
I never worked for them I only know the owner and he is good people. Sounds like they have a dip **** super, first he should get up in time to call crew off if it has rained. On the other hand you should never assume that the job is rained out just because it's raining at your house. I've seen it rain 2 inches in one spot and none a 1/4 mile away. I fire people that can't showup on time too, you have to understand that we depend on people and if they don't showup they are costing the company money. Having said that I can't stand super's that keep their drinking buddies around, I don't care who you are if you can't do the work and showup on time your gone

Greg in KC

I usually show up even after a rain, radar doesn't show everything......but when the job is 92 miles away, gas was $3+ at the time, and add to that the fact that if we were rained out we didn't get a dime for showing up...I did what I was told to do, and that was call as soon as you could get somebody to answer the phone.
The whole experience left a bad taste in my mouth, there may be other reasons for me being let go, but I was never told what they were. I can't improve unless I know what I'm doing wrong.
It's water under the bridge now....
Back to regularly scheduled programming.
Alan