tush hog is not worth a s#@t, buy a fecon
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FAE/Loftness mulching head
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tush hog is not worth a s#@t, buy a fecon
the loftness products are definitely the best of the "cheap" machines
loftness are ok, buy a fecon you will be much happier
the loftness products are definitely the best of the "cheap" machines
loftness is ok, buy a fecon you will be much happier. i have used both and the fecon does a much better job chewing up wood. thefecon is constructed alot better also
James...I am curious did you run a CIMAF head or did you run a Gyro Trac head...there is a big difference in both cost and quality of the blades...I see that you are a big Fecon fan...and if you are looking for a tree grinder then thats fine...but as far as a mulcher goes with good cut quality and efficiency and speed through the woods (isnt that what we are all after?) the CIMAF heads can't be touched...a box of 22 blades is $1075 not too far from a set of carbide hammers (if you buy them from the OEM and not some 3rd party junk with a gorilla for a logo)
I have a front mount CIMAF head and a Excavator mount CIMAF head (the smallest they make by the way) and I will challenge anyone anywhere anytime to put they're machines up against what I am running...Go get a Bullfrog/hog or whatever they call them and put whatever kind of teeth you want to on them (maybe the chipper teeth that they felt the need to develope?) mount it on a 100hp tracked machine (to match with the beat up RC100 mine is on) and lets run em! I will cut faster, leave less mess behind (stringy long and unsightly pieces of wood) oh and also those little sprigs and pieces that stick up out of the ground when you try and hammer to death a little sapling....none of those either ugh!
I am not trying to sound like an arrogant SOB..which I may well be...but I am tired of hearing Fecon this and Fecon that...I too have run multiple brands and multiple carriers day in and day out and I am telling you that if you run the machine the way its made to be run you can't beat it...period and I will back it up....
Good day!
I have a front mount CIMAF head and a Excavator mount CIMAF head (the smallest they make by the way) and I will challenge anyone anywhere anytime to put they're machines up against what I am running...Go get a Bullfrog/hog or whatever they call them and put whatever kind of teeth you want to on them (maybe the chipper teeth that they felt the need to develope?) mount it on a 100hp tracked machine (to match with the beat up RC100 mine is on) and lets run em! I will cut faster, leave less mess behind (stringy long and unsightly pieces of wood) oh and also those little sprigs and pieces that stick up out of the ground when you try and hammer to death a little sapling....none of those either ugh!
I am not trying to sound like an arrogant SOB..which I may well be...but I am tired of hearing Fecon this and Fecon that...I too have run multiple brands and multiple carriers day in and day out and I am telling you that if you run the machine the way its made to be run you can't beat it...period and I will back it up....
Good day!
i am not putting cimaf down, i have used cimaf on a hydro-ax 411 with a 5.9 cummins 305hp, i have used a fecon on a barko930 cummins 5.9 305hp, the difference to me is the cost of replacing teeth, i have gotten olmost 1000 hours from fecon compared to 40 to 150 hours with cimaf teeth. cimaf is a good head, but i prefer fecon
deniscimafinc
Member
Hello James,
Your comment again shows why it's important to use the right tool at the right place. For ground-level-and-above mulching operations, the forged-steel cutting blades technology will outcut any carbide-hammer machine. For one-pass tiling-and-mulching work, you'll probably get better cost of operation with a carbide-hammer machine. Both types of job are different and require a different tool. I understand you prefer Fecon if you have to mix stuff in the ground; that's not what our heads are made for.
On a more personal note, good luck with the job search. It's been tough for everyone in the past months, tougher for some of course, but we can feel things are getting better. Just hang on, good times are coming.
FD
Frederic Denis
DENIS CIMAF Inc.
www.deniscimaf.com
Your comment again shows why it's important to use the right tool at the right place. For ground-level-and-above mulching operations, the forged-steel cutting blades technology will outcut any carbide-hammer machine. For one-pass tiling-and-mulching work, you'll probably get better cost of operation with a carbide-hammer machine. Both types of job are different and require a different tool. I understand you prefer Fecon if you have to mix stuff in the ground; that's not what our heads are made for.
On a more personal note, good luck with the job search. It's been tough for everyone in the past months, tougher for some of course, but we can feel things are getting better. Just hang on, good times are coming.
FD
Frederic Denis
DENIS CIMAF Inc.
www.deniscimaf.com
frederic dennis, your response is well appreciated, i have done alot of seismac work in texas, and the cimaf head that i used was for clean up purposes after the marker tractor, the head was great to use as for in the hill country where there is alot of rock, the fecon was better. so sandy soil i would use a cimaf, it chewed up the wood really great. the boys at rowmec told me to tell you hi jamesn
miner
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Hi shredder, I am looking at buying a mulcher and wondere if i could ring you and have a yarn, from NZ as well. Red and Black country. Cheers Miner
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Jamesn, I do not have any work right now but I will keep my ears open. I am truly sorry for your lost is such a shame that people can be so reckless with others lives. Good luck in your search, and I will do some checking, its really slow here with winter. Bill
DIRTROAD
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I am very sorry for your loss as well.
AustinPSD
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Hello James,
Your comment again shows why it's important to use the right tool at the right place. For ground-level-and-above mulching operations, the forged-steel cutting blades technology will outcut any carbide-hammer machine. For one-pass tiling-and-mulching work, you'll probably get better cost of operation with a carbide-hammer machine. Both types of job are different and require a different tool. I understand you prefer Fecon if you have to mix stuff in the ground; that's not what our heads are made for.
On a more personal note, good luck with the job search. It's been tough for everyone in the past months, tougher for some of course, but we can feel things are getting better. Just hang on, good times are coming.
FD
Frederic Denis
DENIS CIMAF Inc.
www.deniscimaf.com
I've been doing dozer support work on a clearing project, working in tandem with a guy running a Lamtrac 6125 with a Fecon head.
The work area is a mix of river basin sediment, loose rock, solid hard rock cap, clay and soil, topped with bald cypress, cedar elm, oak, willow, china berry, and cottonwood, along with a mix of other crap like mesquite and salt cedar.
Most of the rock is hard limestone, either in loose form from gravel size up to boulders in the half ton and larger range. The solid parts include limestone and granite cap, pretty typical for Texas in the Guadalupe river basin.
The Fecon head makes short work of most of the material, and seems to be pretty resistant to rock. The machine has lost one tooth-mount in a week on one of the elements in the cutting head, which is a surprise given the amount of rock it contacts.
It seems to do a fine job of getting the material shredded/mulched, with a few exceptions - there is a lot of material that is either partially burned/petrified, or that was submerged and mineralized. The Fecon head doesn't do too much against this stuff.
Overall, the machine does better on standing trees than anything else. We can't legally take down living cypress, but it does well on large dead cypress, china berry, willow and cottonwood. The Lamtrack has a pretty short track base, seems shorter anyway than the D3G I'm running - it does well on level terrain, not so much on berms and swales or other uneven terrain washes from river floods.
All in, its been a pleasure working with/watching the machine do its thing. A whole lot less tedious than grinding it up by spinning a dozer on it, and more efficient in time, fuel and machine wear.
The operator says its his favorite to run, comparing to a Barko 930, which is the other machine in his stable. It seems like a pretty nimble, but capable forestry mulcher...
GaryHoff
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http://www.lamtrac.com/home/index_e.php
The lamtracs generally come with a FAE head on them. Did you specifically chose the Fecon head over FAE for the area its working in? Have you ran the unit with both brands of head? How many hours are on your lamtrac?
My opinion is probbaly a little biased because I work at a lamtrac dealership.
The Lamtrac machines are generally liked better, due to the better cab on them. They are however high maintenance (much like any mulcher), but seem to be one of the better mulchers on the market.
AustinPSD
Active Member
It's not my machine, and I'm not the operator... just doing support work during his part of this project. I don't know what his decision-making criteria were for the Fecon vs. FAE head.
The operator does love the cab - air-ride, A/C, excellent guarding/cage, floating, and pretty much every creature comfort. I have to admit I'm jealous - my D3G is an open-cab, no sweeps, no forestry cab...
The area we were working is incredibly rough - I did a lot of leveling, clearing of large boulders/rock, pushing into level patches, clearing of stuff he didn't want to abuse his machine with (semi-burned logs, stumps, mineralized/petrified stuff, other debris). In watching the machine, it worked like a lawn-mower on level ground, even with big (2+ foot) diameter trees. On the berms, swales, and river drift piles, it was problematic.
The Fecon head may be a local support/terrain decision. Central Texas is about two inches to two feet of soil, or soil-like material over solid cap rock or mixed/broken rock. It changes about every two linear feet. Whatever you put on the ground has to be capable of surviving an encounter with a variety of rock, from river gravel/stone to solid limestone or granite cap rock.
If I have the chance to work with him on the next project phase, I'll see if I can get more background on the FAE vs. Fecon and other decisions.
Lamtrac and heads
I would like to finally come out and tell people about the treatment I received from Lamtrac and Tidewater Equipment in NewBrunswick. I bought a new(under 50 hour demo) Lamtrac 6125 and mulcher head. The head looked beat and I looked into it and the belt was loose and worn along with worn teeth. The style head wasn't even made for Lamtrac anymore. The serial number wasn't there and they posted a wrong serial number. Lamtrac and Tidewater in NewBrunswick denied the head was over 50 hours. I proved it by tracing the Rexroth hydraulic motor serial number and found out the head was around three years older than represented. This investigation took a long time. The F.B.I. said they would handle it but that was over a year ago. Lamtrac and Tidewater stopped honoring my warranty and taking my calls or answering my emails. I still have the email where Lamtrac said they would make it right after I proved how old the head was. I had to buy a NEW head to be safe with a model made special for Lamtrac and it couldn't handle the gpm or psi, which is very dangerous. The handbook said DO NOT EXCEED 4,000 psi BUT the machine puts out 6,000 psi. Nowhere does the Lamtrac Company tell you how to lower the machine preasure to the head. Why pay for all that fluid to the head and have to choke it down somehow? I also bought a high lift kit from lamtrac and the mulcher head manual said the head shouldn't be lifted past the chains touching the ground or SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH MAY OCCUR. The lift kit raises the chains over five feet off the ground. I'm out a ton of money with a hard machine to keep working with no Lamtrac support or Tidewater (dealer)support. I have the emails to prove all this and I'm hoping maybe these ripoffs will get back to me now that it's in the open. I don't want people hurt, a mulcher head needs to handle the 6,000 psi and the 60 gpm. Both mulcher heads were supposed to bypass at 4,000 psi but neither did so you can't count on that, the manual simply says don't exceed 4,000 p.s.i.Tidewater said I had to pay the shipping to send the unit I bought from Colorado to Georgia and the replacement head which was an even older Fecon with unknown hours and pay for the freight from Georgia to Colorado. They called this "bending over Backwards to help me" I guess that's all you can expect when buying a quarter of a million dollar machine these days, I am not a rich man and this really hurts. I spent so much time proving I was right on the head being old, then ordering a new head, getting all the information to the F.B.I in NewBrunswick and even he doesn't return my calls after pumping me up with all the things they did wrong, then dealing with too much preasure to the new head, which cost another $30,000. This whole fiasco may break me with two kids and a ranch mortgage.
I would like to finally come out and tell people about the treatment I received from Lamtrac and Tidewater Equipment in NewBrunswick. I bought a new(under 50 hour demo) Lamtrac 6125 and mulcher head. The head looked beat and I looked into it and the belt was loose and worn along with worn teeth. The style head wasn't even made for Lamtrac anymore. The serial number wasn't there and they posted a wrong serial number. Lamtrac and Tidewater in NewBrunswick denied the head was over 50 hours. I proved it by tracing the Rexroth hydraulic motor serial number and found out the head was around three years older than represented. This investigation took a long time. The F.B.I. said they would handle it but that was over a year ago. Lamtrac and Tidewater stopped honoring my warranty and taking my calls or answering my emails. I still have the email where Lamtrac said they would make it right after I proved how old the head was. I had to buy a NEW head to be safe with a model made special for Lamtrac and it couldn't handle the gpm or psi, which is very dangerous. The handbook said DO NOT EXCEED 4,000 psi BUT the machine puts out 6,000 psi. Nowhere does the Lamtrac Company tell you how to lower the machine preasure to the head. Why pay for all that fluid to the head and have to choke it down somehow? I also bought a high lift kit from lamtrac and the mulcher head manual said the head shouldn't be lifted past the chains touching the ground or SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH MAY OCCUR. The lift kit raises the chains over five feet off the ground. I'm out a ton of money with a hard machine to keep working with no Lamtrac support or Tidewater (dealer)support. I have the emails to prove all this and I'm hoping maybe these ripoffs will get back to me now that it's in the open. I don't want people hurt, a mulcher head needs to handle the 6,000 psi and the 60 gpm. Both mulcher heads were supposed to bypass at 4,000 psi but neither did so you can't count on that, the manual simply says don't exceed 4,000 p.s.i.Tidewater said I had to pay the shipping to send the unit I bought from Colorado to Georgia and the replacement head which was an even older Fecon with unknown hours and pay for the freight from Georgia to Colorado. They called this "bending over Backwards to help me" I guess that's all you can expect when buying a quarter of a million dollar machine these days, I am not a rich man and this really hurts. I spent so much time proving I was right on the head being old, then ordering a new head, getting all the information to the F.B.I in NewBrunswick and even he doesn't return my calls after pumping me up with all the things they did wrong, then dealing with too much preasure to the new head, which cost another $30,000. This whole fiasco may break me with two kids and a ranch mortgage.
Looking for a Mulching Head
Looking for a head to mulch frozen or none frozen soil with possibly rocks among it. thinking of the FAE Rock head I am in Canada and need to strip top soil from farmed land. I want to use a bigger tractor for faster operation in tuff conditions. The tractor I am looking to use on the head is a JD 8R series which comes with around 300hp motor. Now asking you for directions where I could find a head used but in very good shape. What are the prices I can expect?
Looking for a head to mulch frozen or none frozen soil with possibly rocks among it. thinking of the FAE Rock head I am in Canada and need to strip top soil from farmed land. I want to use a bigger tractor for faster operation in tuff conditions. The tractor I am looking to use on the head is a JD 8R series which comes with around 300hp motor. Now asking you for directions where I could find a head used but in very good shape. What are the prices I can expect?
A preused machine is likely to have little or no warranty with it so that is part of the risk you take purchasing pre-used.
http://www.tractorhouse.com/list/list.aspx?ETID=1&Manu=FAE (Attachment World, Alberta) Maybe not the right machine for you. The stone crushers I have seen have had Fendt tractors in front of them. I guess you can find the FAE website for stone crusher specifications.
AHWI and Seppi-M also make some large tractor powered stone crushers that are very serious.
http://www.ahwi.com.au/pages/stonecrusher.htm
http://youtu.be/XDEQfZRAVxc (Seppi)
http://seppi.com/en/mulchers/stone-crushers-tillers.html
kiwiclimber
Member
Hi,Sorry to revive a old thread but does any one have any contact details for shredder
Thanks Mark
Thanks Mark
Bonedog
New Member
Hi there i live in New Zealand. Can anyone tell me if there is a Fecon or Denis Cimaf agent here??