tractor pans or scrapers which do you like better

[Hollywood627G]

I don't mean cut a foot move 3ft over and cut another foot. A tractor pan womt drive on a 3:1. Id love to see pics. Especially going around a corner on one

 

[Dirt Shifter]

yes they will drive on a 3:1, I do it all the time up to 2:1 any steper and pan slids down and craps the whole outfit sideways, but tractor keeps goining

 

[bigrus]

Sunny Australia

Had a job to do. A Steiger Quadtrak was sitting idle, found a laser bucket (minus the laser & GPS) sitting idle beside a road, hired it, hooked them up & went to work
Old blademen don't need all that fancy auto steer gadgets to cut a straight line :tong

 

[JDOFMEMI]

Holywood
Why do you think a tractor and pan would not cut on a 3:1? They sit every bit as low to the ground as a self propelled rig like your trusty 627. I would think the pan is more stable, as most are wider than a scraper and sit very low, while the tractors are just as stable as a scraper. The only thing that sits up high is the cab.

 

[windrow]

from my experience with jd and case pull type tractors and pans and conventional scrapers is with the old timers leaving the industry ,Road contracting the bulk of these individual working on roads and interstate infrastructure in the 50's-early 70's has left a hole in the skilled ability of modern workers who in my experience most don't even know what an eye level is or what to do with it. Conventional scrapers are more dangerous or prone to tipover or other damage. Modern workers without brains or proper training are a lawsuit waiting to happen. And as with everything else since the 1960's our country has tryed to idiot proof itself.As with any job that all of a sudden requires no brains, mcdonalds pay comes into the picture, these machines have helped drive down wages in the Country. pull type tractors have a life span of about 8 years. there are still plenty of 627's from the 1960's and 70's around so there life span is 40+. If it my money i am spending i'll go long term w/ a conventional and pay my help an honest wage. Remember you get what you pay for.

 

[Greg]

I cut 3 to 1 slopes with pans behind Cat D7's and 8's all the time. There is a lot of truth in what windrow just stated above about the skills of the guys with white hair and the kids coming up today. Also true, no brains, no skills, they should not get paid either.

 

[JimBruce42]

as a "young" 27 year old operator, who has run these tractor pans, I certainly hope I'm not one of these no brain operators. Have I run a 627? No, but if I was given the opprutunity to I would certainly give it a try.

Course maybe it's just that all these old operators are scared of new technologies and stuff (joking ) :stirthepot

 

[Dirt Shifter]

thats how we get old experienced operarors ,young ones get given a chance to prove them selves usually on the old worn out gear , I started in 1976 on an old E200 inter scraper no lasers or gps just cut fill pegs,but I'm using tractor and buckets now .

 

[Kman9090]

I am a 24 year old operator so not all the experience in the world. Ran a 627 for about 5 years. Me and my brother were a team had a pair of 627E's and then to a pair of 627F's each lead scraper was outfitted with Trimble GPS. I Have also ran the John Deere 9630, Case Quad Track STS 450 and Cat Challenger. My perdonal favorite is the 627 since it's faster more agile and takes more skill to run. As far as a tractor and pan on a slope they will runn all over the side of a 2:1 slope except the pans slide.here are a few pictures since this is my first post and some may not believe me.

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[Kman9090]

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[Dirt Shifter]

Great pics kman9090, yes with a tractor and bucket a 2:1 usually has that result but 3:1 no worries

 

[windrow]

as a "young" 27 year old operator, who has run these tractor pans, I certainly hope I'm not one of these no brain operators. Have I run a 627? No, but if I was given the opprutunity to I would certainly give it a try.

Course maybe it's just that all these old operators are scared of new technologies and stuff (joking ) :stirthepot

Being I am Am an old 36 going on 37yr old i personally find that most operators younger than i usually know less than i, and operators older than i usually know more.(On Average). (old enough to know better, and young enough to still do something about it.) I guess i get the skill thing based mostly on simple math, when i ran 627's, 637's in lets say 1997 i got $28/hr for my work.
Now in the same 627's its about $34/hr.(2009) JD pull pans at best in my same area pay @ $20. I Believe with the competion from the pull pans is why the Conventional wages have only gone up $6 dollars in 13yrs? Ewww.
And being between rain and seasonal layoffs i tend, like most people to vote with my wallet and go with the bigger paycheck which in my area is the 627's and bigger. So i guess what i am sayin is improve your skillset learn a 627 or better and make some money. There's a reason they pay more its "skill".
Now this is what it is like in my Area in ND , Now i am sure someone in california makes $55 an hour somewhere and i am sure someone is doing it for $10/hr somewhere. You can rent a really nice 2 bedroom apt here for $400/mo
You also have to compare cost of living. I would be interested in knowing what other parts of the Country pay.

 

[shooterm]

I'd imagine scraper operators get paid more because nobody wants to run them. Most operators I know want to move out them first chance they get.

 

[JimBruce42]

Windrow.

I am sure that you are correct about the pay scale and don't have the info to believe otherwise, I was just (in probably not clearly) that although I'm probably classified as a young or modern operator I'm always willing to learn and wanted to point out that the young guys aren't all brain dead.

I don't think it matters if your 23 or 83, just about anyone can learn something from someone, the more experience just have seen more ways to do things. I apologize for the misunderstanding. :drinkup :usa

 

[Kman9090]

I agree 100 percent it takes alot more skill to run a push pul type scraper and then you need to get two. Thats also kinda why they are going by the waste side. Union Jobs really doesn't matter what you run pay is the same. I also don't believe the older the wiser. I'm 24 and running a 14M blade because the older guys can't seem to run it and get used to it and I love it.

 

[mudober]

None

I have run both. I think they both have their place. A case quad trac and two Asland cs18 pans would be my favorite if someone was too buy it for me since they are very exspencive.

 

[Taylortractornu]

The last big company I worked for had a reasoning for having tractor pans. Tat most of the workers they had were usually farm help and they were familiar with the tractors. Plus they didnt want to pay much for skilled scraper help. Also the versatility of the tractor like discing clumps in the fill and roller duty. I also got alot of learning in on working on the tractors to in the rock we were in. I have been seeing a few Ashland ejector scrpers I like with push blocks on them lately.

 

[DonZX14]

Call me old fashioned (not old! only 40 !) But I watched both trators and scrapers working on a highway project this summer and,sorry tractor guys, not a chance!There is no way a tractor and pull scraper can keep up to push/pull 657's . The tractors took way to long too load up and ground speed loaded or empty was not even close to the big scrapers. Now fuel economey is probabley a very different storey, but I'm thinkin it will be a long time before they park scrapers in favour of farm tractors. And before you assume I dont know what I'm yappin about, I have been operating for 22 years.

 

[br1474]

The Deere dealer I work for this past summer we rented out 4 scraper tractor units to one contractor 2 of them 9530 pulling 2 1810 ejectors and the other ones were 9630 pulling 2 2112 pans each unit pulling 2 pans. Where the tractors pay for themselves is in the cost per yard moved. granted they have there place and it takes about 2-3 days to learn how to run them unless they have autoload feature installed. They are not designed to be pushed to load, they are equiped with large tow cable out the front in case they get stuck, they are ideal for places where there are long hauls and lots of area to turn around one 9630 and 2 21yd pans are about 85ft. in length.

they may look like farm tractors but they are not they will do farm work but with greater compaction the transmission in some weigh about 1800 lbs. more than farm tractor the axles are double reduction, Ag is not, the hydraulics are faster with more flow, Ag is not, every possible weight is put in front where as Ag is put in the rear.

several years ago a local contractor done a cost comparison on our JD vs. 627g's and the cost per yd. moved on the deere was just under a dollar the 627g was almost $3 dollars. with the 627 you will need 2 of them and/or a dozer to push. not with the deere you just need the dozer to finish grade. the 627 will not move 2loads for everyone of the pull pans unless its wet or you have bad ground conditions the prevent it from running. at the end of the day the 627 might have moved more dirt but what did it cost to do it. I have never run a 627 or any self loading pan other than a deere but i know that you can see the edge. try running a machine just by the sound of the engine and the feel of the seat that seems harder to me since you cannot see what your cutting, I don't run the pans i just fix them,

 

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