saftey run amuck?????

[expatracer]

I,m doing a job for a large construction company P*L and there safety guy comes up to me and ask me some question no problem things like log book for the machine and stuff .Then he says to me how do you fuel your machine up and check the oil we have a 6 ft rule i all most fell out the machine (but i had my seat belt on) so what he's telling me i cant climb up on my machine to check the fluids with out a safety procedure :Banghead. i told him i stand on the cat walk to fuel it thats ok its only 4:5ft high and that the machine has sensor for the fluids ointhead any body else had this happen?????????

 

[grandpa]

Are you working in a mine area? Here in state i deal with that bs from MSHA , (mine saftey health administration) lots of regulations. Its enough to make a guy quit.

 

[expatracer]

nope just a regular site up he in BC

 

[joispoi]

The inspector was doing his job. Most operator injuries occur from slipping off or jumping down from the machine.

A lot of guys get injured from slipping and falling off their machines. It's not always a soft landing, either. It's a more common work accident than falling out of your seat:tong.

When you've got muddy boots or the no skid pads are iced over, things can be a little dicey.

Gravity is a cruel mistress.

 

[Greg]

It truely is run amuck. That is what happens when you have do nothing burocrats that know nothing or have never done anything writting the laws.

 

[jimmyjack]

ive had a safety woman tell me that after she watched me fuel up a cat 320 , she said why arent u tied off weres your fall pretection, so i my feet aren't above 6ft and i have a hand rail...plus i said if i was tied off i would it the ground before the the harness caught me !.....ive seen alot of safety people only know whats in the book not how to put in to use in the field.....

funny story this same person said when we were working in a stream (not even over work boots) we needed PFD's on ,stating we were working around water so we needed them on, when if u "fell in" you'd need a helmet for all the rocks not a life vest

 

[John C.]

We were two shifting in a coal mine when the loader operator decided on his own that he needed light plants in the area to work safely. We didn't agree that it was necessary and told him if he couldn't operate the machine safely we would find someone who would.

He called MSHA who came out and cited us for not enough light. Our engineer took the matter to the administrative law judge and showed him the actual rule and the amount of lights on the loader. The law judge chewed out the inspector and through the matter out and made MSHA pay all the costs.

From that time forward I've always made the snoots prove their point by showing me the rule or law in an actual written form. Almost all the time they don't know the rule and are just throwing their weight around.

I don't want anyone to get hurt and will always comply to a sensible solution. I will no longer just keep my mouth shut and take that kind of crap from the snoots anymore.

 

[heavylift]

I worked in a chemical plant, they had asinine rules 1' above or below ground.

we had to change light bulbs in an office.. 6' ladder standing on the 1st or 2nd step.... you guessed it... Dinged... for no fall protection..... go get harness and landyard ....hook to ladder.... Dinged again ...I'm an idiot.... there is absolutely no place to tie off... they finally decided that the fall protection wouldn't work...

digging in the place was a nightmare.... anyone going into the ditch had to wear tyvex suit and an escape air bottle.... One foot or deeper.... also had to carry a chemical mask at all times..everywhere in the plant...

Just as we were finishing the job , they were starting the Nomex suits policy... you had to change out of street clothes and wear their stuff, I was told... then at the end of shift you had to shower before you left.. then change into your street clothes...
I know the place had nasty chemicals but I thought that was a bit extreme... glad to have gotten out of that mess.... before the suit change.

 

[stock]

I have had a little to much to drink just now but I will be back.

 

[special tool]

I have had a little to much to drink just now but I will be back.

Is that what you said to your safety officer?

 

[wolf44]

Tell them that the only reason that they are walking around the job site is that you have not been cleared to bury them yet. Any questions?

 

[expatracer]

tell them that the only reason that they are walking around the job site is that you have not been cleared to bury them yet. Any questions?

:lmao

 

[OCR]

I have had a little to much to drink just now but I will be back.

stock, stock!! Wake up, it's been 5 hours...


OCR...

 

[cat 385]

yes i have came across this same thing before when i have asked about checking fluids like on the old 235's 245's where you had to stand on the counterweight to check the oil,usually they don't answer or they say just make sure you use the handrails,the other thing is,that MSHA says not just 6ft but any where there is a danger of falling even if your are lower than 6ft,all i can say is please don't make me where a full body harness to check the fluids...confession time, i did fall off a 245 counter weight it is a long way downointhead

 

[special tool]

yes i have came across this same thing before when i have asked about checking fluids like on the old 235's 245's where you had to stand on the counterweight to check the oil,usually they don't answer or they say just make sure you use the handrails,the other thing is,that MSHA says not just 6ft but any where there is a danger of falling even if your are lower than 6ft,all i can say is please don't make me where a full body harness to check the fluids...confession time, i did fall off a 245 counter weight it is a long way downointhead

Haha - that's funny.
Some of these kids don't know how slippery a wet 200 series Cat counterweight is.

 

[cat980]

your right those counter weights do get slippery i fell off a 225 one before no as high as a 245 but it hurt hitting that rozen dirt. I almost did it again but i caught my self on the hand rails scary stuff

 

[stock]

OOOO! caffeine and paracetamol please ,and why did you call me so early on a holiday?

 

[Greg]

A lot of this garbage is also caused by the manufacturers of the so called "safety equipment."

At last spring's MSHA annual training class I found that all of the safety vests and shirts I bought the year before were obsolete because the specifications had been changed. Had a speaker there from one of the manufacturers telling us about the new standards and how we would be sited and fined if we did not upgrade.

It seems that the manufacturers go to the legislatures and tell them about all of their new products and redesigned products and how superior they are to the previous stuff. Oh yes, and here is money for your campaign fund for the next election. Soooooooo, the law gets changed to make us spend a bunch more money.

Same goes for all of the certification programs. A number of years ago I was sited along with my crew in Oregon State because we were not certified to work "high iron" in the state of Oregon. In other words, did not take a class in the State of Oregon.

When I asked who would teach the class I was told a "certified instructor" taught it. Next I asked what the qualifications for the "certified instructor" were. The answer was the instructor took a class to become a "certified instructor." Does the instructor need journeymen status as an iron worker? Nope, just the class. Same for equipment operators and the like. Real bloody stinking joke.

This legislation has spawned a complete industry of manufacturers, instructors and the like that has achieved asexual reproduction and growth. All because of a bunch of companies that make this stuff and provide training jumping in the sack with the politicians.

 

[Dozerboy]

Haha - that's funny.
Some of these kids don't know how slippery a wet 200 series Cat counterweight is.

No were just not so old and senile that we can't walk on them without falling off.

I've never been harassed about fall protection when checking out our Iron. And the day I do is the day they can move me into the office.

 

[alrman]

No one mentions safety railings for their machines.....do you have these over there ? If you do have them, are they not sufficient ?:beatsme