lgp Excavator

[D11RCD]

Here is the Hitachi Amphibious Soft Terrain Backhoehttp://www.hitachi-c-m.com/global/products/attachment/others/amphibious.html

 

[Sparffo]

Here in Finland LGP excavators, dozers, loaders and tractors are really common equipment! they are used mostly in peat fields but also to drain swamps and forrest. i will try to upload some pics later!
13 tonne machines with 900-1200mm shoes are mostly used. to improve shoe durability and prevent tracks from jumping "skies" are added to the track frame.
here is a floating excavator that can be used on water or really soft ground:
http://www.remu.fi/index.php?lang=en&swidth=1284&wheight=621

21 tonne big float huyndai video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQQIGc7LUY

:drinkup

 

[Sparffo]

Finnish LGP machines

Here is some machines i found at a finnish equipment sales site, that tells alot how much LGP equipment we have around here! and those are just a few of the ones i found...

 

[Sparffo]

do you want more?

Here is a few pictures also, sorry for the backhoes, but they look so wierd i had to
Look closely at the UC on the bigger excavators! they have the skies i talk about! I have never heard that they use larger drives or have reliability problems because of the wider pads? just hear problems with pads breaking if used on hard ground or rocky terrain...

 

[cps]

LGP's

found a few more pic's
notice how the machines on the contenet have extra track guides!

 

[cps]

A few more....

 

[Eddiebackblade]

Thanks for all these fantastic pics guys, I don't know where you find them but keep them coming.:thumbsup
I'm intrigued with the Ski idea along the track frame, and assume it restricts the pad deflection but must also add weight and friction if the track is pressed against it.
The Case pictured on exceptionally wide pads appears to run offset pads, with the inside of the pads much narrower than the outside. I wonder if any wear issues arise from this?
The hitachi is the real factory 'M' for marsh I believe and appears to be sitting on a very large undercarriage for it's size.
I think a summer trip to Finland would be a good idea as it seems to be where all LGP's go to hide. I wonder if there any Ford County Tractors lurking about up there?
I've bid at a Hitachi Zaxis 160lc in really fantastic condition, and am hopeful of a deal. It is physically much larger than the 130 class and sits up very high with two top rollers and excellent clearance, but is actually the same width (I must come in at 11ft 6" for ease/cost of transport).
I have a good quote to cut and widen it and excellent prices for the new 4ft tracks and sprockets, so I'm hopeful of a deal but determined to buy a bargain in the current climate.

 

[cps]

Few more LGP's

Hi Eddie hows the project coming along,
heres a few more pics of a JCB i think in a JS160lc its in the u.k somewere!
I never noticed the tracks on the case, but i guess its just a standard u/c then, something like that maybe worth looking at with the Finish style track guide as it would be easyier converted back to standard as and when needed! on that note i hear what your saying about the master link for quick swapping times! i think it would be a great idea and should work fine! Also another great link is the Cat 320c type link, im sure other Cat models have it to and i know Volvo had it on the EC210's not sure about the B's but personaly i always liked it too!
You also said u/c parts have dropped in price, i hav'nt been pricing them lately but have they dropped much? from a local or national dealer?

 

[Eddiebackblade]

Hi CPS,
The project is still very much on, with a real nice Hitachi 160 Zaxis still under negotiation! I could just plough in and pay full asking price, but with the cost of conversion and tracks to add I'm out for a real bargain.
For instance a friend has just purchased a 4500hr CAT 312c with Miller hitch and full set of buckets for £12,000.
I live very close to the JCB finance yard and their website is hardly keeping up with what is being off loaded into their yard, and they are always willing to take an offer to shift them on.
So it's just wait and see:beatsme as I'm off to Canada for a couple of weeks this weekend, so I'll offer a little more just to see if it will come before I go or else he may be ready to part after a couple more weeks.
I have priced Chains, Pads and sprockets from Midland Steel Traders and they are certainly a lot less than last year.
I know all about that pin on 320 tracks, I drove a B with completely knackered chains on a sand quarry restoration job. Luckily we went home through Cannock past Finnings as we needed new pins every few weeks!
I think the Alligator link is definately worth a look as they make fitting on a Dozer really easy.
So keep them pics coming:thumbsup as they each seem to show a different take on the LGP idea.

 

[cps]

Cat 312B

found this one on the net....

Its the only Cat i've seen converted

 

[DarrylMueller]

The machines with the wide bottom track guards are look like a good way to go. Real good pictures. Matts are ok if you don't have any water, once they get wet it real easy to slide off.

 

[possum300d]

My brother is looking for another 14 ton 360 at the moment and recently viewed a Daewoo 140 for sale on Skye that was running LGP tracks. Think the owner had one set that he took on and off as required. Will ask my brother for more information if you want as didn't go in to it in too much detail at the time.

For instance a friend has just purchased a 4500hr CAT 312c with Miller hitch and full set of buckets for £12,000.
I live very close to the JCB finance yard and their website is hardly keeping up with what is being off loaded into their yard, and they are always willing to take an offer to shift them on.

As mentioned above, my brother is looking for another machine and recently spent 3 days travelling about the country but is really struggling to find anything in his £15k budget despite there being a supposed surplus of equipment! You guys got any pointers or leads?!?

Although looking for a Daewoo (loves the 6 cylinder motors) but he would look at others.

Regards
Ross

 

[Eddiebackblade]

Hi Ross,
I'm not suprised to hear of such a Daewoo set up being utilised, it would be interesting how they changed the tracks and what time it took.
It's something I will obviously have to tackle, and am looking at any way to make it quicker/easier.
As for the machine search I always find 'Plant Trader' and 'Mascus' to be useful on the net.
I am not too familiar with the Daewoo, but hear only good from other users and there's nothing finer than an understressed six potter in the back of any machine I personally think.
Obviously I am unaware of Budget limitations, but if you could get into the 20-24,000 range at the moment you are really in the driving seat for a deal on 13 tonners.
There are some nice CAT 312c around and I would consider these to be virtually faultless apart from being slightly thirsty.
Hitachi ZX 130lcn would be a great buy especially with the Isuzu engine keeping fuel costs down and a good undercarriage with two top rollers.
A Volvo 140blc is also a great machine with excellent economy and high build quality. Personally I don't like all the old fashioned switches everywhere in the cab, but if that's my only moan they must be pretty good!
The Komatsu Pc 130, I don't know why but you will find these cheaper, I love komatsu kit and definately worth a look.
The Case CX130 is another in this category and the economy of these is unbelievable compared to the Cat.
Lastly the JCB js130 don't discount one of these, they are readily avaliable at reasonable money and have the Isuzu engine.
Honestly there are no really bad machines in my opinion just bad 'back up'
having a good local dealer with good parts avaliability should influence any purchase.

 

[possum300d]

Hi Ross,
I'm not suprised to hear of such a Daewoo set up being utilised, it would be interesting how they changed the tracks and what time it took.
It's something I will obviously have to tackle, and am looking at any way to make it quicker/easier.

First off, before I forget, thanks for the detailed reply.

Just called my brother earlier to find out a little more. He thought the machine was running pads in excess of 1000mm, perhaps nearing 1200mm but was unsure as it was a few weeks ago he viewed the machine and has seen plenty other since then! The curent owner has two Daewoo's that he just swaps tracks over on as needed for use on peat. Dont think the machines had any other modifications for running this setup. My brother believes a local dealer sold this machine new complete with this track setup back in 2003.

As for the machine search I always find 'Plant Trader' and 'Mascus' to be useful on the net.

Forgot about Mascus myself but he had a good look before leaving on his viewing tour of England. Spent 3 days travelling between dealers from Norfolk, Cambridge, Midlands, Manchester etc and via Glasgow area on the way home.

I am not too familiar with the Daewoo, but hear only good from other users and there's nothing finer than an understressed six potter in the back of any machine I personally think.

Deawoo is the only (I believe) manufacturer that use a 6 cylinder in machines in that weight category. He currently has one Daewoo DH130 with more than 20,000 hours on it and still runs perfect! :notworthy

Obviously I am unaware of Budget limitations, but if you could get into the 20-24,000 range at the moment you are really in the driving seat for a deal on 13 tonners.

He's looking for something around £15k but could be tempted up to ~£20k mark for something worth it. He's been told time and time again how there is plenty of unused machines and repossessions flooding the market but is finding different! :beatsme Maybe he's not travelled far enough south yet? :Banghead

There are some nice CAT 312c around and I would consider these to be virtually faultless apart from being slightly thirsty.
Hitachi ZX 130lcn would be a great buy especially with the Isuzu engine keeping fuel costs down and a good undercarriage with two top rollers.
A Volvo 140blc is also a great machine with excellent economy and high build quality. Personally I don't like all the old fashioned switches everywhere in the cab, but if that's my only moan they must be pretty good!
The Komatsu Pc 130, I don't know why but you will find these cheaper, I love komatsu kit and definately worth a look.
The Case CX130 is another in this category and the economy of these is unbelievable compared to the Cat.
Lastly the JCB js130 don't discount one of these, they are readily avaliable at reasonable money and have the Isuzu engine.
Honestly there are no really bad machines in my opinion just bad 'back up'
having a good local dealer with good parts avaliability should influence any purchase.

Thanks for all your input, made interesting reading for a novice like me. My brothers pretty clued up and has chosen to look for a Daewoo above others.

He not interested in Komatsu's at all for some reason, isn't overly keen on a JCB as has encountered build quality issues in the past but admits they are reasonably priced.

Uses a Cat 312C frequently and would consider one, but only if its fitted with the Mitsubishi engine as the Perkins is under-powered and drinks twice as much in comparison! Also uses a Case alot and don't think he's even mentioned looking at them!

As for the Hitachi and Volvo, dont believe he's seen many advertised. Know he had a 7 ton Volvo last year that he rated highly.

Your friends recently purchased 312C sounded a bargain, make sure let me know if you hear of any others!

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.

Regards
Ross

 

[stock]

Well now that the problem is solved, here are the pictures of the lpg Volvo belonging to Roadbridge






This one is on the LIMERICK tunnel job.


Stock

 

[Johnny English]

Hi Ross, I use www.resaleweekly.com to search for plant and www.machinerytrader.com most dealers list on here have sourced several machines from both these sites. If your brother wants a real bargain look at euroauctions.co.uk this is a massive auction at leeds every 3 months along with other auctions in Ireland and europe.

 

[cps]

Good man stock, thats the one's we're looking to see! Seen one of those on a windfarm roadbridge were doing near Ballybofey in '04, but not sure if it was as wide!

 

[possum300d]

Hi Ross, I use www.resaleweekly.com to search for plant and www.machinerytrader.com most dealers list on here have sourced several machines from both these sites. If your brother wants a real bargain look at euroauctions.co.uk this is a massive auction at leeds every 3 months along with other auctions in Ireland and europe.

Believe he viewed a couple machines advertised in resale weekly on his tour. Not tried euroauctions, but quite a while until the next leeds one.

Just think it quite surprising that there is a lack of machines in his price bracket considering this economic slow down has supposedly brought the construction industry to knees. :beatsme Know his finanace man said should be lots of repossessions about and I would have epected alot of fleets to be down sizing.

Regards
Ross

 

[Eddiebackblade]

Stock you are a genius!:notworthy That Volvo conversion looks the real Deal and would certainly take some getting stuck!
It's a bit too wide for my purposes as going over 11ft 6" will require a second man in the low loader cab, (probably add £100 one way to a move) but there's no doubt the customers getting a true LGP when that rolls up!

Ross,
I believe there are a couple more Hewden auctions coming up and one is in Scotland, there will definately be some 312c's well specced up in them.

I can only say ignore the initial asking price 'bide your time' and 'go in low', realistically bidding low at the current time with the cash in your hand will eventually produce a favourable result.
Sad to say that Owner Drivers are particularily vulnerable at the moment, and an offer not insult that gets them out of that finance deal around their neck will all too often be snapped up. (Done it myself to get rid of a Mini and dumper I had)
That cheap 312c was a classic example, coming from a Farmers son who just couldn't find work for it and I suppose the £12,000 just cleared it off.
I have bid on a Zaxis 160lc and hope to finalise a deal when I return from my Holiday.(Don't buy anything until you return from Skiing in one piece!)
However before my departure I viewed a 3000hr Zaxis 130lcn and the same company was selling JS130's and 160's at reasonable money. Whilst in their yard I passed a Vovo 140blc in the workshop and commented how tidy it was. I now see it on Mascus for £26,500 and its only got 2000hrs on the clock as well as being full spec.
I know for certain they are taking sensible offers and would have had a bid at it if the guy had said it was up for grabs as 2000hrs is really just run in.

Other than that it's just the usual case of asking about and letting people know you're a genuine buyer ready to close the deal and waiting to see what turns up. As we all know the day you buy is the day two more come along with half the hours and less in price!

Finally what is it with them Komatsu's? they are absolutely brilliant to operate and really well made but everyone seems to overlook them in the 130 class.

 

[Eddiebackblade]

Ross,
had a dig about and spotted a couple of over budget candidates.
There is nice Daewoo 140lc at CPS plant sales definately worth a look and for something completely over budget but rare enough to surely warrant a lot of consideration depending on your application a Daewoo140blc.
The 'b' stands for the Dozer blade it's fitted with and at 2600 hrs and full spec from a dealer Kellands at just over £27,000 would have me doing some head scratching!
The blade on a 13 tonner can be of real benefit if you are the type of operator who appreciates and not abuses it. I don't know what it would add to the original purchase price but it wouldn't be cheap.
Just a thought as 13 tonner hire competion can be fierce and a blade equipped machine with a tidy operator will probably always be the last one heading for the gate off a site.
Both are posted on Mascus.