Stuck in mud best ways to get out

[jimmynoshow]

what would be the best way to get this out of mud? I’m not a very experienced operator and I got it stuck everything an experienced operator would take two minutes to move. The machine over took me 20 minutes so after four hours of messing around, I walked away and drove home another 4 1/2 hours. nothing done, and here I remain stuck. I was trying to lift up the machine and I cut with a chainsaw a tree trying to make some sort of a bridge, but my friend slipped in the mud and just wanted to go home.

 

[skyking1]

Jimmy that is the hard school you are in. A 2wd backhoe often needs to help itself out with the back bucket and it takes experience to do this.
Did you try to use the back bucket?

 

[jimmynoshow]

Yes , dug a few holes too kept getting stuck , gonna have to try again might have to get some help im not experienced on it

 

[Vetech63]

You should be able to boom down and lift the rear of the machine. The use your swing to manipulate your position. I have had those stuck before when trying to repair them. You only need to get the rear wheels out of the hole they are in.

 

[MG84]

You need to first make the machine have as little ground pressure as possible so you stop sinking it into the mud. Set the front bucket so it’s level to the ground and push down a little with that. Then use both the hoe and the outriggers to push down a little.

Now using just the hoe lift the back of the machine just a little and try to swing it to the side, towards whatever is driest ground. The front bucket and front tires should remain on the ground and hopefully pivot without sinking too much. If that works you can keep doing it unti the machine is out of the existing ruts, even as far as 90* from where it sits now. Next reach out with the hoe, plant it firmly, raise the outriggers, and try to pull the tractor backwards. Depending on how soft it is you may have to leave the front bucket down al least a little to keep the front tires from sinking. You may also try helping a little by putting it in the lowest reverse gear, just above idle and let the rear wheels pull, but try to not let them spin. This is much easier if you have a torque converter drive. If that works, pull yourself back as far as you can, stop, put in neutral, outriggers back down, and reach out again for another bite. Then do it all over again.

About 80% of the time that method will get you out, if not post back and we’ll go over the ‘advanced’ techniques.

 

[Delmer]

If you had a JD you could set the outriggers down so they're taking equal pressure as the tires, roll the front bucket forward and lift the front tires off the ground, then reach out a little past vertical with the stick and lift the rear just clearing the ground, then pull in with the stick while rolling the front bucket back and you can back out of nearly anything. I don't know if a Case can do those movements with any control at the same time, and even if it can, it won't be as easy.

Really, that is not stuck hardly at all, you're on the right track with trees, but what I've found is simply collecting dry dead brush/branches, and putting in the tracks is more than enough to get you out most of the time. I've done this many times farming with 2wd tractors and get too close to a wet spot and don't want to ditch the equipment that's hooked up. You have it so much easier, because you're in the woods so the material is closer, and you can lift all the tires so the brush can go right under the tires. Brush is traction, the slick mud is tire slipping lubricant.

Since it's 2wd, brush under the rear tires, and if that's not enough, fill under the front with rocks or logs so they're not in a rut and can roll out more easily. If that's not enough, extend the backhoe further back for more weight on the rear, less on the front.

 

[NH575E]

I have only stuck mine once but it was about that bad. I got it out in about 45 minutes of trial and error.

To get maximum lift on the front you have to turn the cutting edge straight down. I would raise the loader bucket and turn it down then put some wood under it running lengthwise and try to lift the front tires out. Then put some wood under the tires. After that you can raise the front bucket and try raising the rear and push the hoe forward.

If the rear is too deep you can raise it with the hoe and move it sideways to get on better footing.

 

[skyking1]

Thanks all for fleshing in my brief explanation as I go to bed. @Delmer is on what I would try to explain.
When you reach out and get a grab with the back bucket, think very carefully about what is holding you back. Try lifting the front tires just a bit with a flat front bucket and pull gently. Get the outriggers down close to the ground. Don't lift the back tires all the way off the ground.
Each thing takes some of the weight. If you lift it all the way up off the ground, now that bucket grab in the mud is doing all the work and it will sink in and fail.
The front bucket vertical stab-and-roll is very effective. If you need it you can coordinate that and do it at the same time as dragging with the rear.
From @Delmer
"If you had a JD you could set the outriggers down so they're taking equal pressure as the tires, roll the front bucket forward and lift the front tires off the ground, then reach out a little past vertical with the stick and lift the rear just clearing the ground, then pull in with the stick while rolling the front bucket back and you can back out of nearly anything. I don't know if a Case can do those movements with any control at the same time, and even if it can, it won't be as easy."
Yes you can do that. But the trick is to take your time and make small increments of front bucket roll and then pull some. I don't know if it was made clear but you are going to go out backwards, every time. Pushing just does not work.

So you are not pointed in the right direction?
lift the front bucket just clear of the ground.
Set the outriggers flush with the tires they share the weight.
reach off center in the direction you want the back end to move sideways, about 5' off center at most.
Put the bucket down with the stick about vertical.
lift and drag yourself over in that direction. Repeat. You can do this and move backward a bit each set if possible.
Get it pointed at the place you want to back out of the goo.

 

[MG84]

If you had a JD you could set the outriggers down so they're taking equal pressure as the tires, roll the front bucket forward and lift the front tires off the ground, then reach out a little past vertical with the stick and lift the rear just clearing the ground, then pull in with the stick while rolling the front bucket back and you can back out of nearly anything. I don't know if a Case can do those movements with any control at the same time, and even if it can, it won't be as easy.

Yes, thats one of the more ‘advanced’ techniques I was referring to, definitely takes a little more coordination for a new operator, but it is highly effective. It’s just as easy on a 3 stick Case, I do it all the time on my 480e. Seat facing back, loader joystick in the left hand, boom/dipper levers in right hand.

Edit: why is this glitching like this? Made what I typed a quote by him and would let me change it, IDK?

 

[jimmynoshow]

Thank you so much for the confidence, i may head up there this week and try again, so to get it where i want it where its dryer , using you gentlmens meathods backwards is best , i have to lift up fill holes in front spin it around brush under rears then lil by lil pull myself backwards till dryer ! Did I mention that obviously, I park the machine in the worst possible spot on the property. I didn’t know that yet I recently purchased this property in richland new york in Pulaski , too bad somebody experienced wasn’t right there. They could probably get that out in a half hour. I was thinking about at one point I might put a rope to my pick up truck and have him pull once I get a run for it.

 

[skyking1]

the key thinking is *Pull* yourself backwards with the digging bucket, and assist with the front if needed.

 

[jimmynoshow]

The dummy I bought it off sawed the teeth off the bucket, so that doesn’t help either

 

[Delmer]

Edit: why is this glitching like this? Made what I typed a quote by him and would let me change it, IDK?

That happens to me when I put the cursor inside the quote and can't get out.

You shouldn't need to use all the techniques at the same time. And only use the ones that work together. The front bucket is critical to that, put the bucket down flat to take weight off the tires and slide backwards or pivot to the side. If you put the bucket edge down vertical, it will dig in and be harder to pivot, but if you can move it at the same time as the backhoe that's a lot of force to move backwards (forwards isn't nearly as effective). The brush isn't needed at all if you're using backhoe methods.

You've found the weakness of a 2wd backhoe, or any 2wd tractor loader really, even without a load in the front bucket, just the weight of the loader and bucket is enough to take so much weight off the back that you'll sink and spin if the surface is SOFT AND SLOPPY. Soft and dry, you're usually fine. Slippery but firm and FLAT, you're usually fine. If it freezes there, an inch or two of frost will dry that up to cross stuff you wouldn't believe. But you won't be able to do much work with the loader because it will break up and mix up mud as you run over it, use the backhoe to do what you can. If it starts to melt, you're screwed because all that moisture that got sucked to the surface and froze, is now supersaturated slick mud. The basic freeze thaw mechanism that's responsible for most of the expense of highways across half the US, and therefore most of the reason for this site. And now you get to experience it as intimately as anybody.

 

[skyking1]

When you get it to a shop get a set like these and fix that.

https://www.palletforks.com/skid-st...L5nikafPcgC2fHyonw89M1Q8KpKvAhWRoCke4QAvD_BwE

Then get 3 extra teeth and fit a moldboard on those if you want a smooth edge.

 

[franklin2]

Yes , dug a few holes too kept getting stuck , gonna have to try again might have to get some help im not experienced on it

Talk about inexperienced, I was afraid to even back mine off the trailer when I got it, I got the guy that hauled it to get it off. It's very frustrating to dig with too in the beginning, but don't give up. You will finally get the hang of digging with it after a few weeks of using it.

And then the thing is so big, maneuvering around and loading and dumping dirt takes a little time also. You have to get used to the tires dropping down holes and the whole machine leaning to one side. You think for sure it's going to tip over but it doesn't. I still sometimes swing the hoe over so it's up hill if I get on a hill I am not comfortable with.

 

[skyking1]

Talk about inexperienced, I was afraid to even back mine off the trailer when I got it, I got the guy that hauled it to get it off. It's very frustrating to dig with too in the beginning, but don't give up. You will finally get the hang of digging with it after a few weeks of using it.

And then the thing is so big, maneuvering around and loading and dumping dirt takes a little time also. You have to get used to the tires dropping down holes and the whole machine leaning to one side. You think for sure it's going to tip over but it doesn't. I still sometimes swing the hoe over so it's up hill if I get on a hill I am not comfortable with.

set the outrigger like a training wheel for the real butt pucker spots, and go slow. Don't forget it's down or you will clip all sorts of stuff.
When I worked the new 416C bent boom Cats, they had an issue with swing. You reach back and swing the bucket to one side to work a tight spot, then straighten it back up and brand new machines, 2 of them, would continue to creep all the way over to the other side. I was driving in traffic and I got this wide eyed look and look back to find the boom all the way over towards the traffic!

 

[jimmynoshow]

I was talking to the guy who did some work for me with his excavator before I bought my own like I said it’s 4 1/2 hours away when you head up the cost of fuel and me by myself all day if it was very close, of course I would keep trying and I’m sure I would get it, but he told me just mail him a key he’ll go out there with the excavator and move it over for me 400 bucks so I’m just gonna have them do that this week if I want to go up there at the end of the week I could pay more attention to doing other things that I wanted to. At least I know the machine will be out and I don’t have to worry anymore. Thank you guys for all your help. I still have learned a lot on this one. And have plenty of learned ideas if I do get stuck again and I’m sure I will. This form has been great. All good advice from you Gentlemen I don’t feel I’m throwing in the towel I feel it’s cheaper for him to 400 bucks and know that my machines in a safe spot and ready to work

 

[colson04]

When you get it to a shop get a set like these and fix that.

https://www.palletforks.com/skid-steers/bucket-and-accessories/23tf-bucket-teeth-assembly-%28set-of-5%29/125027.html?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA04arBhAkEiwAuNOsIosQgtDH776xs_UgUFTDT-L5nikafPcgC2fHyonw89M1Q8KpKvAhWRoCke4QAvD_BwE

Then get 3 extra teeth and fit a moldboard on those if you want a smooth edge.

How many teeth is recommended for an 84" bucket? I don't know how far these are usually spaced.

 

[skyking1]

it's his digging bucket.
They torched off the shanks. I see 5 on a 24".

 

[skyking1]

Jimmy if at the end of the day your machine is safe and high and dry and all the tires hold air, it is a victory.
"Pride of ownership" can get really expensive. Hopefully you can get somebody to give you some pointers on what it can do, and can't do.
I learned a lot on a 2wd Cat 416 extendahoe, working on a dam job. I had a guy give me some pointers when I really needed it too.