I think they're are 2 forms there a top and a upside down bottom.
Bad Bob
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Junkyard's work thread.....maybe haha
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Bad Bob
Used to get the two piece ones, but both suppliers quit or closed their business over the years. They were well made and held up, as long as no one drove a concrete truck over the top.
Looks like your puller worker Junkyard, even sweeter when you make something and it makes the job easier and works. WHen I saw the upper bearing I wondered how they knew it was bad, then saw the lower one and understood how they knew. Thanks for posting the pictures!
Looks like your puller worker Junkyard, even sweeter when you make something and it makes the job easier and works. WHen I saw the upper bearing I wondered how they knew it was bad, then saw the lower one and understood how they knew. Thanks for posting the pictures!
Junkyard
Senior Member
Yeppers. As it sits in the picture the form for the top is just resting on the form that when poured ends up being the bottom, sides and chambers. Pour the big form, finish what’s exposed on top, which is actually the bottom when in use, lay the plastic lids in the other form and pour it. Lots of aerobic setups around here, too much clay and shale to perk.
BV, there have been some tank failures around here too. These forms have fixtures for vibrators, it’s been explained that with these tanks having the chambers it’s imperative we get all the air and voids worked out of it.
terex herder
Senior Member
Well JY, you are about to get a crash course in cement and concrete. Your success will depend a great deal on your relationship with the concrete plant. If they send you junk, you will have junk in spite of your best efforts. I would suggest you get sample cans and develop a system of identifying cans and tanks for traceability.
Then there is the whole cement type I/II and type IL issue. If your plant starts with the new type IL you won't have a change. If you start with the type I/II, some of what you learn won't apply to the new type IL. I have heard bonding on strand is significantly reduced with some type IL.
I see a separate LLC for the concrete tank business.
Then there is the whole cement type I/II and type IL issue. If your plant starts with the new type IL you won't have a change. If you start with the type I/II, some of what you learn won't apply to the new type IL. I have heard bonding on strand is significantly reduced with some type IL.
I see a separate LLC for the concrete tank business.
Acoals
Senior Member
^^^^^^ This. Keep the insurance separated as well.
A self employed guy needs a back up gig to help out in between . This could be a good one. I have been looking for one . I wish i could find something part time but they are few and fare between . There are all kinds of jobs but there all 60+ hours a week.
Birken Vogt
Charter Member
The place here has their own batch plant and mixer truck. They cast the tanks in a heated building so they can work all winter like normal. Big heating bill They receive full loads of cement and rock all the time. They have their own batch plant and dilapidated mixer truck that goes the 40 yards between the batch plant and the building. And they have a couple delivery trucks also. They have a yard full of inventory of all different optioned tanks as well as risers and other plastic stuff that people might like to buy.
Junkyard
Senior Member
I’ve looked at a lot of operations like that. Hard to say if it’ll grow into something with its own plant. I have an older retired friend that owned a concrete company so if that day comes he can help me put one together. Around here the plants can make plenty of mud, they just struggle with trucks and drivers. May end up with a truck of my own to haul my own concrete.
We poured a lot of shafts when I worked for the drilling company, lots of towers etc. I know a little about it. The good thing is I know all the right people to help me get off on the right foot.
I currently have an LLC that owns my shop property, I’m currently working as that one. The tank operation will get its own so we can keep the books separate etc. It’s a challenge to start a business without debt!
We poured a lot of shafts when I worked for the drilling company, lots of towers etc. I know a little about it. The good thing is I know all the right people to help me get off on the right foot.
I currently have an LLC that owns my shop property, I’m currently working as that one. The tank operation will get its own so we can keep the books separate etc. It’s a challenge to start a business without debt!
Birken Vogt
Charter Member
It's nice when you have an existing service business because cash flow from that, plus rice and beans, can help build/finance bigger ventures.
JLarson
Senior Member
Worst case if you want out finding a buyer for the form shouldn't be too hard. I know our precast outfit just bought two new ones $$$$$$$
They have us or their yard guy weld a plate with logo and year in all their forms so it's cast in the tanks and lids and their other big items.
They have us or their yard guy weld a plate with logo and year in all their forms so it's cast in the tanks and lids and their other big items.
Camshawn
Senior Member
Local company makes all the boxes for electric vaults, pull boxes, lids, etc seems to get bigger every year. Same as the septic tank outfit, pours in a big shed. One small truck 25 yrs ago, now 2 big hyabs, bigger shed, lots more cars in the lot. Good luck with it. Cam
Welder Dave
Senior Member
Have heard concrete gets stronger with age and also it gets weaker after many many years. I know it's best if it stays moist and doesn't dry too fast. Wondering if things like septic tanks and cisterns need to age for a few month's or longer before they are handled much or installed?
We had a 2600 gallon water cistern installed many years ago. It was 3 sections with grooves between them. They used something like tar or rubber to seal the sections. It was heated up so it could pour in the groove and then the next section was put in place. About 20 years ago I helped replace a septic tank. The one coming out was 2 sections. Each section had grooves cast in the corners so a steel cable sling could be used for lifting them. The grooves were angled so the cable would slide into them and not slip out. The new tank was 1 piece but used similar grooves.
We had a 2600 gallon water cistern installed many years ago. It was 3 sections with grooves between them. They used something like tar or rubber to seal the sections. It was heated up so it could pour in the groove and then the next section was put in place. About 20 years ago I helped replace a septic tank. The one coming out was 2 sections. Each section had grooves cast in the corners so a steel cable sling could be used for lifting them. The grooves were angled so the cable would slide into them and not slip out. The new tank was 1 piece but used similar grooves.
Junkyard
Senior Member
Most likely will buy one of Crane Operators old cranes. He’s got a 25 ton that will work great on the yard.
Acoals
Senior Member
I doubt anybody is going to wait longer than 28 days to ship them. They were shipping about as fast as they could pour them the last couple years up around where I am. Availability has been an issue with septic installs.
Junkyard
Senior Member
Around here $3,500-$5,000 seems to be the norm. If memory serves its about 2-1/2 yards or so to pour a tank and lid. We’ve figured 3 so we have mud for the pedestals etc
Birken Vogt
Charter Member
The place near here has rows upon rows of inventory sitting around. All different sizes and config. Some of it sits for years before shipping out. Some has the concrete old and weathered with grass growing out the cracks. Still they are always making and shipping them every day.