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Impact's "Things Done at Work"

Impact

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Got the crane home last night about dark. What a whirlwind. Flew to Houston to kick the tires last Friday. Flew home Sunday afternoon. Went to the office and finalized the deal and worked on permits Monday. Left Tuesday afternoon about 3:00 PM for Houston in my pickup with another driver. Drove till midnight. Arrived Liebherr factory 8:30 AM Wednesday. Drove off the lot 10:30 AM. We didn't have a boom dolly for this crane as the previous owner was in Texas and they don't run dollys, at least on this crane. I was concerned with getting it home. $20-25K to have the crane hauled to me, not counting the four loads of counterweights jibs inserts etc etc. Figured I could drive it home much cheaper. Before I left for Houston on Tuesday we had permits for Texas, Mississippi, & Tennessee. Louisiana had been in the works since Monday morning. Everyone assured me I could permit Louisiana. So, when we left the plant at 10:30, we didn't have Lousiana permits. We were sitting at Beaumont Texas at 12:30, with no permits for La. My office girl had given up, saying it was impossible. I had her email me all of the documentation and contact info, and I started calling from my cell phone. Butter was dripping out of my mouth with the girl in the permit office. I was all but flirting with her. Finally got the permit and was informed at the end, you MUST have an escort and they MUST be permitted also. So, we hired an escort she recommended. Makes me wonder if they're in cahoots.

The entire process is ridiculous. I do understand that if we didn't have a process to drive heavy loads down the highway, we'd all be driving 1,000,000 pounds on a single axle with 1600 tires. But they all say, you guys are wrecking our bridges with these heavy loads. THAT's WHY we have this process. So, if I give you $500-$1,000 I can drive across your entire state and wreck every bridge I cross? It's all a chess game and we're just a player on the board.

It's a LONG a$$ way from Houston Tx to Kentucky at 50 MPH. Tuesday left Houston at 10:30. Went into Louisiana at 5:30 PM. Stopped at 7:30 PM just east of Lafayette because of the daylight/dark curfew. There is a curfew on these rigs in Baton Rouge also from 7-9:00 AM. We left at 5:30 yesterday morning to beat that curfew. Drove over 600 miles yesterday in 14 hours. Went across four scale houses and each let us pass with only a quick review of our papers. Have your paperwork right and weights right!!

I'm going to have to explain to my wife WHY I hired an escort service while in Louisiana. I hope she understands. I wonder if the escort helps to get past these DOT guys? The hired escort we used was from Lake Charles LA. We hired him to take us across LA. At the last weigh station in LA, I gave him $50 cash to help us through the first weight station in Mississippi. Mississippi also requires an escort. There are rules and regulations on WHO can be an escort...blah blah..We drove from south to north through all of Mississippi unescorted. Just before we left the state, Dropped two flashing lights on the pickup and the north weigh station let us pass.

This morning we drive the new crane to the job and start assembling all the pieces. We have a lift tomorrow that is 80-90% of the charts. Might as well break it in right. 45,000#, 145' boom 50' radius. We'll spend the day getting it assembled, set up and getting acclimated to the controls.
 

crane operator

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Sounds great Impact. Have fun with the new rig and be safe. I also think the whole oversize/weight is a racket. Here in Mo I must make 20,000/axle on my permits. I cannot buy a annual permit.

Missouri only issues one time, one way permits. I buy one permit to get to the job, I have to buy a second permit to get back to the shop. Concrete pumps and well drilling rigs, can buy a annual. Lowboys can buy annuals for like loads. Cranes fall into their own category. Most other states issue annuals. I just pass the costs on to the customer as part of the bill.
 

Knepptune

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The worst part of the permit process is the routes they make you take. Nothing worse then cutting through the country roads because your not allowed on certain state roads. Our 110t has 24k on each axle. We run it without the dolly but it's about a dollar per mile for the permit.
 

Impact

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaP3-oPU8E0

First lift with new machine. 45,500 pounds. 52' radius. 146' boom. Capacity was 46,400 pounds. Should have shortened the boom a bit. Would have been good for 55,000#. We were worried about boom clearance. But as long as we're within chart...Go for it.
 

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How did you attach your lifting points to the bin?

Edit: Oh yes, what are the dimensions of that bin? What diameter and how many rings or feet tall?

Thanks
 
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ichudov

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Great job positioning that hopper without any wild swinging. Amazing video. Thanks for posting.

Got me wondering about something.

I am not a big crane guy. I am a little guy with a little crane, I use my crane as a yard bird or to move industrial machinery or remove scrap metal.

When people rent me with the crane and my guys (I do more than just lifting -- also dismantling or constructing industrial installations) I usually make 2-3k per day gross and I am happy. (without a crane I make less per day but the crane justifies higher $$).

But for those big cranes, I would think that daily rates should be really high to justify those million dollar machines and to pay back?
 

td25c

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaP3-oPU8E0

We were worried about boom clearance. But as long as we're within chart...Go for it.

I know that feeling all to well Bro ! http://www.heavytruckforums.com/showthread.php?263-Some-Holmes-750-action&p=2638&viewfull=1#post2638


Awesome work on the hopper tank set ! Looked like it went pretty smooth .:thumbsup



Now hang on just a second ........ That new rig is the wrong color , you guys gonna give her a paint job .:D

Looking good as usual Impact , keep doing what your doing . :salute

With all the rain this summer looks like bins will be full with bumper crop .;)
 

Impact

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How did you attach your lifting points to the bin?

Edit: Oh yes, what are the dimensions of that bin? What diameter and how many rings or feet tall?

Thanks
It is 36' in diameter, 45 degree bottom, 22 narrow rings (32").

We had lugs bolted on the inside of the tanks, and six long 1/2" cables
 

Impact

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I know that feeling all to well Bro ! http://www.heavytruckforums.com/showthread.php?263-Some-Holmes-750-action&p=2638&viewfull=1#post2638


Awesome work on the hopper tank set ! Looked like it went pretty smooth .:thumbsup



Now hang on just a second ........ That new rig is the wrong color , you guys gonna give her a paint job .:D

Looking good as usual Impact , keep doing what your doing . :salute

With all the rain this summer looks like bins will be full with bumper crop .;)

Haha on the color. My initial thought was the same. Cranes are sposed to be yeller. But I have to say, the silver bird is growing on me.
 

Impact

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Great job positioning that hopper without any wild swinging. Amazing video. Thanks for posting.

Got me wondering about something.

I am not a big crane guy. I am a little guy with a little crane, I use my crane as a yard bird or to move industrial machinery or remove scrap metal.

When people rent me with the crane and my guys (I do more than just lifting -- also dismantling or constructing industrial installations) I usually make 2-3k per day gross and I am happy. (without a crane I make less per day but the crane justifies higher $$).

But for those big cranes, I would think that daily rates should be really high to justify those million dollar machines and to pay back?

Need to charge all the market or the law will allow!
 

Knepptune

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Just out of curiosity,how much outside crane work do you do? Do your cranes stay pretty busy on your projects and the taxi crane work is just an added bonus or do your cranes spend most of their time on outside jobs.

Also wondering if you have set prices on your cranes or if you bid crane jobs.

Can't believe how much your crane fleet has grown since I registered on this forum. Starting to think I may need to follow you around and take notes on your business practices. Lol
 

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Don't give me the big head Knepptune. I'll try and answer though.

In my opinion there's not enough rental work in my area to justify the cranes I have. I don't have enough work of my own to justify the cranes I have. But, it seems that the two together makes it work for me. I'm like a kid in a toy store around cranes. They've always fascinated me. Sometimes I wonder if I let that fascination sway my decisions on whether or not to purchase a crane.

As far as the rental business, to get a crane above say 50-75 tons in my area you have to search in a big circle, Nashville, Memphis, Owensboro, etc. Having these cranes here locally is a plus for business in my area. As you know, it costs big bucks to move these rigs long distances. Our 60 ton has been staying busy almost non stop. I can't seem to ever use it on my work. That can be frustrating. To rent a crane when I won 4 makes me shake my head in wonder. But if my 60 ton is on a week long job, and I rent once for a 6 hour day..my math tells me I should be making mola geetus.

AS far as my work goes..These projects get bigger and bigger all the time. It continues to amaze me. I'll take some of the credit, but, I've got some really aggressive customers and they've remained faithful to me. I seem to work for the same people over and over. One advantage I've found from owning these cranes, that I didn't forecast is the customer's perception that I'm the only one who can do his project since I own the equipment to do it with. I'm not saying their perception is correct. Other contractors can rent cranes to do the project and may be just as financially successful if not more so. But, I think that is the customer's perception. I think I've picked up some extra projects due to that fact. And how do you value that?
 

td25c

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Haha on the color. My initial thought was the same. Cranes are sposed to be yeller. But I have to say, the silver bird is growing on me.

I thought that would give you a good laugh Impact :D. The silver bird looks like a Champion ! Not to mention the owner knows what to do with it .:yup

In my little operation we seem to hit the best with the 25 ton rigs . Have several big crane companies close so more than likely won't ever pay me to go much bigger on a crane rig .

http://www.graberconstruction.com/

http://padgett-inc.com/

Crane side might be 25 % of my work load on various jobs . It varies from season to season . Although like you mention at times we will get a job because customer knows we have the iron on hand to back it up . There is some merit to that .;)

The remainder is dirt , welding , & recovery work . I enjoy it all ! What really impressed me was when you put all the trucks , tools & yellow iron working together on a job it's amazing what can be accomplished with ease .
 

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What really impressed me was when you put all the trucks , tools & yellow iron working together on a job it's amazing what can be accomplished with ease .

Truer words have never been spoken! Please add "blue" for welders in your list.
 

GrainBinMan

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I haven't went back through all your posts to see what all you do Impact. I take it you are a millwright/dealer for GSI grain equipment? I was thinking when I first started reading your posts that you ran strictly a crane operation. That customer perception may have something to it.

I can rent pretty much any crane I want. Digging and Rigging http://www.digrig.com/ aren't that far from me, plus a lot of other outfits. http://greinerindustries.com/services/mobile-crane-service/

But it does seem like the bigger grain operations really scrutinize our capabilities, when we tell them we don't have our own crane. That said, there are a lot of more profitable smaller projects for us to do.
 

td25c

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Truer words have never been spoken! Please add "blue" for welders in your list.

Yeah ichudov , as you already know in your operation it takes quite a combination of tools , trucks ,& yellow iron to make a plan come together .

Takes years to acquire it all & then learn what to do with it .

I always get a big laugh after we set something on a project and bystanders think the crane did the whole job .LOL ! Little do they know what went on behind the scene in site prep work , prefabbing items at the shop to make it go a little quicker at the job site .

Most people have no idea of it .

Our gas drive welders are all " Blue " . Miller 250 trailblazer , 250 bobcat , and still running an mid 1980's Miller LE 200 on the Kenworth .

I'm due for a new welder rig . Thinking about staying with a 250 bobcat .

http://www.heavytruckforums.com/showthread.php?263-Some-Holmes-750-action&p=1903&viewfull=1#post1903
 

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TD i looked at the thread you linked and the mount you welded on for the turnbuckle on that woods mower, I had the turnbuckle break on my 2715 yesterday right were it threaded in. I guess that was a few months ago for you, but i thought it was odd. You have some of the coolest old trucks btw.
 

Knepptune

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I guess we're a little different. We provide a crane and operator. We do rent cranes bare as well. The market is a little saturated around here but being within an hour of Cincinnati and 45 minutes from Indianapolis there's a lot of crane work. Very rarely do we do the labor on a job. I should also add we do a lot of repair work.

I guess what surprises me is how the grain handling market has changed. We used to have at least one crane on a farm somewhere 3-4 days a week. Then it went to 3-4 times a month. Now that we bought the 110t, that crane has done more work on grain handling systems then anywhere else. Unbelievable how much bigger these setups have gotten and they're still nowhere close to what Impact's working on.

As far as customer perception, managing that is an art all in itself. If your good at that you have a heck of an advantage.

Back to cranes. The 110t has definitely opened a lot of doors for us. Now we really need a 60-80t truck crane. Something to fill the gap. And that 110t truly is a pain to move. It's a heck of nice crane once your onsite but I can say I think I'd rather have a truck crane.
 

Knepptune

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TD i looked at the thread you linked and the mount you welded on for the turnbuckle on that woods mower, I had the turnbuckle break on my 2715 yesterday right were it threaded in. I guess that was a few months ago for you, but i thought it was odd. You have some of the coolest old trucks btw.

I think it's safe to say that TD is the resident Mcgyver. I'm just curious as to what jobs he actually turns down. Lol
 
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