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air filter caught on fire

sledgehammer

Well-Known Member
i was tramping bush with my d8h when suddenly the air filter burned. there were no fires around, nothing else burned. the filter just started burning. it didn't do any damage, but what the heck would cause this?
 

DPete

Senior Member
Does it have a siphon dust ejector tube to the muffler? Have heard of the exhaust going backwards if the muffler is damaged internally
 

Nige

Senior Member
How did you first notice the filter was burning up, I would have thought any smoke from it would have been sucked into the engine ..?
 

sledgehammer

Well-Known Member
How did you first notice the filter was burning up, I would have thought any smoke from it would have been sucked into the engine ..?
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it started running like crap so i shut it off. then smoke started coming out of the air cleaner. took the filter off and the paper was all burnt. once i got the filter out and fired it up it ran 100%
 

sledgehammer

Well-Known Member
the dozer ran for two hours before the filter burned. so of the pup engine sent lames through the intake it would somehow have to travel through the turbo and to the filter and burn two hors later.
 

DPete

Senior Member
Has to be some kind of freak deal. Could you tell if the burned part started on the dirty or clean side of the element? I suppose the starting engine could spit a hot piece of carbon toward the intake and it smouldered until it lit but how remote is that? If the pony exhaust thru the intake manifold leaked same thing could happen I guess, though the main engine would have been getting dirt from the pony exhaust pipe. Don't know if you will ever find out.
 

jeff112

Well-Known Member
Debris could of sat on the exhaust manifold or turbo long enough to catch fire or create a ember, That ember then could get sucked into the filter housing burning the filter element from the out side in under a vacuum.
 

sledgehammer

Well-Known Member
Has to be some kind of freak deal. Could you tell if the burned part started on the dirty or clean side of the element? I suppose the starting engine could spit a hot piece of carbon toward the intake and it smouldered until it lit but how remote is that? If the pony exhaust thru the intake manifold leaked same thing could happen I guess, though the main engine would have been getting dirt from the pony exhaust pipe. Don't know if you will ever find out.

the entire element burned out so i have no clue which side started first.
 

Ronsii

Senior Member
I have had my old 2U's running and they will sent up a nice hot chunk of soot/carbon/whatever once in a while when I am running them hard and every now and then I am lucky enough to have one land in the back of my neck, and I can tell you that it feels just like weld splatter.... so if you get just the right chunk sucked into the filter I can see where it would light up the element.
 
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3rdGenDslWrench

Well-Known Member
Sledge, wonder if you might have a hole rotted through the housing of the air filter? Then like everybody else said trash laying on the exhaust manifold got hot, ignited and sucked up into the filter?
 

MattR

Senior Member
Our D7F did the exact same ordeal this spring. Started running like crap, Bill shut it off, smoke poured out. Pulled the air filter covers off fast, filters engulfed. Filters had very low hrs on them.
Ever run one at night? then you can see sparks sometimes come out of the exhaust. I would assume it to be red hot carbon bits?
We believe our machine simply sucked in a spark and lit the filters up. Burned the right down to the metal mesh, no paper left at all.
 

D11RCD

COPPA Member
Sledgehammer,
Could it have backfired through the Carburetor? (if it has one, I did that on my mower;))
Is the element the Cat radial seal one or does it need a filter oil or something? Just because filter oil does burn sometimes :tong
 
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