I do like the BRS system clintm. I haven't ran many other types of line bores but have got use to this one. After many hours of running the same machine you get use to the quirks. I really like the bore welder. Some people make claims they can hand weld faster then putting on a bore welder but I have a hard time believing that after seeing how nice of a job the 408 does. I will post some pics tomorrow of the finished welds and let others decide for themselves. The main complaint with the whole set up is you buy consumables from BRS. I haven't found anyone else selling tips or shields for the welder. I do run carbide replacement tips in my cutting tools. This machine might not be the top pick but for the price it's what I got. After a few runs you know about how long it will take to set up, cut, weld, cut, clean up and put away.