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what would it take to demo these foundations...

Discussion in 'Demolition' started by Aliate, Aug 19, 2014.

  1. Wawrecker

    Wawrecker Well-Known Member

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    Nothing if your are Fred Flintstone.
     
  2. David427

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    While I have great love for a 225 and the whole 200 series, you know it's 2015, right?

    Using a ball on anything in 2015 must mean you have a lot of time on your hands and really aren't all that interesting in moving on to the next project and profit source.

    It's easy to see who are the backyard hobbyist and who are the professionals from their comments.
     
  3. David427

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    If someone showed up to a project and off loaded a 225 it sends up a big red flag that they can't be profitable in this business.

    Or they just started out and are being very frugal with their capital

    Or it's a very depressed market and area in general and that's the best there is.

    225's were great machines 30 years ago. When did they build the last one, 1994?
     
  4. ben46a

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    Well that old 225 and ball I wreckon are paid for many times over and dead nuts reliable.it would get the job done no differently than a new machine. So in your case David427, you use the pulverizer, and have a loader/bobcat, or I suppose even a ditching bucket to clean up all the small refuse. Any dirt you put with the concrete costs more to dispose of. I still think a 25 tonner with a thumb and pull it out in slabs would be the quickest cleanest way to get it done. I'd suspect 2 days would put a good beating on it, why break up the concrete more than you have to? It will cost the same to dispose of either way and the recycling yard can eat the cost of breaking it up and dealing with the rebar rats nest that's bound to be left over from the pulverizer. More than one way to skin a cat. Also, not every place in the country is as rich as boston would be, if that old 225 sits for a month it doesn't cost a dime, what are the payments on a new 320?
     
  5. David427

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    Why do you assume I am suggesting turning the concrete into 3/4" pieces. You break into pieces that are loadable and process able - smallest probably 2'x2'.

    Pulverizers also have rebar cutters built into them.

    If your sales volume is low enough where a 20+ year old 225 makes sense, stay with what works for you. The CAT 225 was a great machine for it's time with the bonus of being 100% made in the US but by the mid to late 80's the Kom 220 was walking all over them. CAT then partnered with Mitsubishi for the junk BL series but then did ok with the 300 B's. I prefer Komatsu but buy CAT because my local Komatsu dealer sucks and you can't beat CATs financing deals - although JD (Hitachi) offers comparable ones.

    I've done this work over the course of 33 years, including using a ball or large hard rock to break concrete. Now I own an excavation company and use the latest methods to maximize my work force, complete projects as quickly as possible and move on to the next project. That is how you become successful in this business.
     
  6. Landclearer

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    Ok, so you are going to process the concrete into 2x2 pieces with a pulverizer. That means every 2 feet, you will have @ a 2 foot section ( the width of the pulverizer) that is pulverized into pieces that will need to cleaned up somehow or will be loading a lot if dirt to have a concrete free site. Sounds pretty inefficient to me.
     
  7. David427

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    Loading what dirt?

    Sounds like you've never used a pulverizer before, you can crack and break concrete without actually 'pulverizing' it. Do you always comment on things you have no actual experience with 438 posts to your name I would assume that is a yes.

    2'x2' is the optimal large sizing if you are crushing onsite or if you want to get a tipping discount for a load that is ready to feed into the crusher at the recycling yard. Oops, once again, I forgot you've never done this before.

    It's funny, I stopped reading this forum a while ago. Obviously it's full of way too many back yard operator/drivers who have done it all but really haven't done anything but won't hesitate to throw an uninformed opinion into the mix. I went back to read the postings I missed (auto email notification of a posting) and caught the originator of the thread writing 'that he would never buy a pulverizer, to spite the poster (me)', with his current attitude and methodology he'll never been in the position where he has to make that choice.

    The originator of this thread asked how to approach a project like this. I told him how a professional demo contractor would do it. The methodology and concept is fairly standard and proven in the industry in 2014 - the time of the posting.
     
  8. Landclearer

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    Well just so you know we do have a Cat pulverizer and I have many hours running it so that is the first point you are wrong about. The next mystery to me is how you are going to get 2x2 piece of concrete to feed into a crusher without breaking it and the rebar. If you would like I can even post many pictures of demo jobs we have done.

    The next thing is that I have never run a crusher, wrong again! I can post pics of that if you like.

    You should not make assumptions about people without knowing anything about them or their operation. I have plenty assumptions about you but I will keep them to myself.
     
  9. monster76

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    Dave You have to remember every region is different for example down here where i live concrete is free to dispose of only have to pay for the hauling which in most cases only runs 50 to 150 per load since the fill centers are never really that far away. For a small demo job like the one posted i wouldnt waste time crushing the concrete i.would rip Cut out rebar toss it in a steel recycling can and load up truck to get rid of the concrete
     
  10. Scrub Puller

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    Yair . . . Well it's on again!!

    I have commented up thread but really I have no experience or qualifications to comment on this subject but I have shown this thread to an old mate of mine and we reckon if we had to do it we would go in with one of these on an old D8 . . . .

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    We'd tip those foundations out by smoko and have a cup of java and a pi$$ (the latter can take a bit of time at our age) and we'd have bit of a think about whether we were going to preserve them in large pieces and stack on the lowboy with the treepusher or use the tracks as a "concrete deconstructer" and slip back to the depot to get one of these . . . .

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    to load it

    . . . . the point being that time isn't always of the essence and, (as has been said by others) there are different ways to do any given job and often old gear and proven methods can out work the latest wankmobiles and attachments . . . a case in point is a big brand new tree muncher out on the coast that hasn't munched in several days because "it's throwing codes".

    Just some thing for poster David427 to think about and maybe ponder how his fancy gadgets pencil out if as I have had to do he has to finance his gear at over 20%.

    Cheers.
     
  11. movindirt

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    I agree! You can tell who really makes money when the market slows down, and the repo man starts taking machinery :rolleyes: :D
     
  12. Oxbow

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    I know this is a moot point now in regard to the job that the original poster was bidding, but I can't help but comment.

    Many of the folks contributing put forth their ideas in relation to the criteria in each of their areas, and then listened to the other posters and considered varying regional differences. Others did the same, with the exception of factoring in any of these variables, or scale of economy.

    It is great to be the most efficient time wise so that one can hurry and get on with the next project, unless of course the next project may not start until next week. The original poster was renting all the equipment for the project, which most likely means that he is starting out and does not yet have more work than he can handle. The most important aspect to him would be to do an excellent job while hopefully making some money so as to begin to build his reputation, and learning from the process.

    An area where good aggregate is plentiful, and dumping areas are as well, will certainly change the equations from an urban area where real estate is valued much higher due to supply and demand.

    A large company may haul the concrete back to their own yard, crush it and resell it. A one man operation just starting out certainly cannot do that, so it doesn't even enter into the equation. The cost of crushing the concrete may not be viable in some areas, but may be the key to profit in others. Bringing in a track crusher, crushing the concrete and then selling to a project a block away may make the most sense, assuming you have another project a block away.

    I suspect that some could take a week to do this project and make money, while others would loose if it weren't done in a day.

    Just because something makes perfect sense in Boston doesn't mean it makes any sense in Miami, or Lubbock, or Olathe, or Seattle, or Melbourne, or Tel Aviv, or Paris (Idaho)!:D

    I have bloviated enough, cheers!
     
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  13. tylermckee

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    Did you get the job?

    I live in the PNW also and I would bring a 160 or 200 and rip it out, drop pieces to break it and load it into dump trucks. Break the chunks into 3x3 ish size chunks and set up to load. Clean and quick. Load carefully so you don't have a bunch of wasted space and the trucks will be able to haul their max weight.



    And everyone that says the footings are small, that's a typical footer for a wall under 4' around here.
     
  14. TrentNz

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    Yep i would have done it the same as tyler. Rip out, drop it on other pieces to break up, shake it to break rebar and load out in chunks. Clean up with sifting bucket and hand pick last pieces. Done
     
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    Very well said, Oxbow!
     
  16. Oxbow

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    Thanks Adolfcase, I had forgotten about this thread.

    We have many superb businessmen on this site that are willing to share their knowledge and experience. When someone comes and immediately discounts the experience of others I tend to get a bit perturbed. I think the thing that most impresses me about the people here is that they can have disagreements in a civil matter, and are willing to acknowledge the merits of another's viewpoint.
     
  17. Adolfcase

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    I was taught it 's exchange of known truths that have withstood the test of time. Truth or the exchange of know wisdom sometimes offend us, because we know it all. Ego gets in the way; There you have it, my way of skinning is the only right way, becomes the only way that works! Pistol Pete just got his degree and paper work to prove he,s right.It may have offended the person that his point of view was not the one choose or people where ganging up on him. Instead of trying to learn from a mistake; or different approach of doing things; which we all make, yes even the A team sometime has there moments of mishap. Let all take step back and thank good lord for another day above ground!As my old boss would say at the end of the day ,they(customers) are not calling during dinner and asking why you did this way.He always reminded who was signing the check and that was end of story. What was the thread about again? Moving on and good night to one and all!