I'm unfortunate to have two of them, one we just put in last fall new, the other is also bad, spicers are not what I'd call a good transmission, if I left out all the swear words, it would be a pretty quiet conversation. In my opinion eaton fullers are a pretty bullet proof, simple transmission, spicers are the opposite of that. They don't shift even new as nice as any eaton fuller does, the junk one we took out shifted about as bad as the new one we put in, same as the one thats in my other truck has for the last 8 years I've owned it, for some reason they are not as durable as any other transmission out there is. I plain hate them, any of them I've ever driven or owned, I have nothing good to say about them other than they are excellent money pits and cause everyone who drives them to swear and cuss and even learn a few new swear words, thats about all they are good for. If given a choice I'd never own another one and would love to replace both of mine for any eaton fuller, we wanted to do a retrofit when we did the last one, but were told by quite a few that is was a major under taking and the cost was pretty high to do the complete conversion, and time was limited, my old one had a gear knocked out of it and we needed the truck.