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Small skidder

Discussion in 'Forestry Equipment' started by dieseldog5.9, Oct 28, 2018.

  1. dieseldog5.9

    dieseldog5.9 Well-Known Member

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    Looking around for a small skidder for some once in a while lot clearing, which seems to come down to timber jack and Deere, I have all Cat equipment and thought about a Cat skidder.

    Found some timber jack 230 and 240 they seem like purpose build machines and generic parts. They seem easy to get in and out of, guessing the 4 cylinder is preferred over the 3, and the manual transmission I believe is rugged and inexpensive to fix.

    Deere makes a smaller skidder, 440 and 540. But seem to have specialty parts, and bring a premium price for old machines, and more difficult to get in and out of. The power shift transmission could be expensive to fix.

    Older Cat skidders, 508 518 look like logging was an afterthought and getting in and out a pain with a chainsaw. Also the transmission could be expensive to fix. They seem rare so parts could be difficult.

    I have a 20 ton tag trailer to move it around with so weight width and height are a concern.

    Any thoughts are appreciated, any makes or models to stay away from, or a particular model that is a diamond in the rough.
     
  2. Former Wrench

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    These are old, but good machines: Clark 666, Mountain Logger
     
  3. Hallback

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    A Clark 664, 665 or 666 is an excellent machine. Make sure you get the Clark winch. Most of them have 353 and 453 power but if you are lucky enough to come across a 666 with a Cummins and a Clark winch you really have something there. Most of those are the later D models.
     
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    Not sure where you are located but I know a guy that has a nice old Mountain logger for sale pretty cheap.
     
  5. old-iron-habit

    old-iron-habit Senior Member

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    The old C4 and C5 Tree Farmer's are good old generac parts machines as well as the ones mentioned above. Still lots of them around in the Midwest. Most have 3-53 or 4-53 Detroit's in them with straight sticks. Many older machines have Gearmatic winches in them. All good, near bulletproof winches, but the most popular, the Model 19 will make a strong man out of you trying to pull the cable out the first few drags in the morning until it limbers up. We used to leave the last drag of the day connected and pull the cable out and in with the machine a couple times first thing in the morning.
     
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    Not to mention you will be replacing brake parts in a gearmatic winch yearly weather it yards one turn a year or a thousand turns a year.
     
  7. Wytruckwrench

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    I’m a fan of the Gearmatic 19. I rebuild and true up the drums on a lot of them. Once you true up the drums they are like brand new for several years.
     
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    old-iron-habit Senior Member

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    I have a Gearmatic Model 9 on my original Garret. Had a Gearmatic Model 20 on my last C5D. Both great bullet proof winches. Had a lot of well used Model 19s over the years. Never heard of trueing the drum but it sure makes sense. They had to pull better when new or they would not have been so popular. The Clark winch on my long wheelbase Ranger 666 is a great winch, but gets very little use. I keep the driveshaft off of it 99% of the time. Gives quite a bit more power to the machine with it not turning and saves wear on them spendy drive yokes.
     
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  9. dieseldog5.9

    dieseldog5.9 Well-Known Member

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    Located in Northern New Hampshire, I have seen a few clark 664, a lot of timberjack 230 and 240 models around. Not to many Tree Farmers here, Deere skidders are popular, and for some reason a 440B or C is 25 grand, and for about that i could buy a newer 525 Cat.
     
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    Stay ahead from the A model 525/535's.
    Far, far away!
     
  11. dieseldog5.9

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    So is mountain logger any clark 666 or a special version?

    I came across a franklin 105, built in 1988, I know nothing about these, weight, winch, axles, has some sort of automatic transmission, any info is a help.
     
  12. partsandservice

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    Franklin's were good skidders. However with Franklin out of business, finding some of the Franklin specific parts can be difficult and probably used. That era machine has a Franklin built powershift transmission.
     
  13. dieseldog5.9

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    Its official, purchased a Franklin 105 believe it has a 353 Detroit, not a power house but the right sized machine, if i am getting the sizing right it weighs around 16,000 lbs so bigger than a 440 deere smaller than a 540. Doing some research on franklin looks like the center pivot rotates instead of the front axle pivot, is that a good thing?
     
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    That’d be like a forwarder or harvester is but they use brakes or cylinders to only allow so much roll.
     
  15. old-iron-habit

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    If your backend starts going over you will not feel it of see it in the front wheels. That said I only went over once in my forwarder. Use a seat belt.