thanks for the replies! the McMaster link works and the high strength rod in 1 1/4 comes in 3, 6, and 12 ft lengths would these be the sizes ya'all would get? I could surely cut them if to long? I really think what I would do 3 and 6 ft would be what I would need! TIO I look at tomv thread EVERY time he posts something new and yours and hatches and willie atco :falldownlaugh !! So I try to learn everything I can!! I work at a small excavating company and I do mechanic work, heavy haul, pull end dump, run equipment (sumtimes) and whatever else the boss has me do and I really don't have to many guys that I can go to on some of these questions so you guys help me a lot and I appreciate it a lot!!!!!!:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy