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LCA078

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@Buffallobull I'm glad your spirits are still up and you're still actively looking. I do have a question about:
No thumb no blade….no deal
The thumb requirement I understand but are you saying a hoe must have a blade to be considered? That will greatly limit your options to the smaller side of a tree-killer but I totally understand if that's what you want.
 

Buffallobull

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No, that’s the perfect solution for me. I’m totally open to machines with less options but they have to be in a condition and price so that it makes sense. I can get one without a blade and just buy an older dozer. I can get one without a thumb but it does need the aux hydraulic installed and I can add a thumb. I can still buy that old PC210 and it works, but no thumb, no hydraulics and no blade so it just doesn’t fit the bill.
 

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Okay, I understand the blade is a 'want' not a 'must have' whereas the aux plumbing is a 'must have'. As stated by others here, understanding your list of features, both the 'must haves' and 'wants' will pay dividends for you.

Bottom line- stay at it! You have a lot of support here to help you find the best tool and we're all rooting for ya to do it.
 
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Willie B

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I have a friend works for a paving company. They strip off the usually shallow earth down to bed rock, drill & blast bedrock, then crush 5 ton pieces to mix asphalt pavement. They have three 35-45 metric ton excavators. He has always said there is no value in a thumb, didn't understand why I consider it essential on a backhoe.
Now he has at home, a 6 ton mini ex. Suddenly he understands my need for a thumb.
 

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When I bought my Komatsu PC200 LC-7 the pictures showed it having a manual thumb. When it arrived the thumb wasn't on it. This was an insurance deal. My buddy that worked at the insurance company was pissed. They had also taken the batteries out after they loaded it on the trailer. Anyway, I ended up cutting up an old dozer root rake and made a manual thumb for it. That was about 10 years ago and it's still being used on the machine. I have run machines with hydraulic thumbs and they are nice. I won't down play that at all. That being said, a manual thumb on the right machine would not be a deal breaker for me. Actually if the machine is being mainly to clear large trees I would prob prefer a manual thumb over a hydraulic. Just my $.02
 

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Everybody‘s list will be different. From different operating experiences, to different operating styles.
The terrain also has inputs.
Think of dealing with that glacier slide, without a blade and a thumb?
Can you do it without both, it would suck.
One or the other is definitely easier.
When I brought up the thumb, it was conditional for the valve and the plumbing.
Starting from scratch, adding a hydraulic thumb to a 35k excavator, can easily exceed 12k.
Unless of course, you hit the parts lottery and find an exact parts machine that burned, or something.
Being patient and having the money, to back up the bid or offer, is key.
Also, plan on pricing out delivery in advance, will help the buying experience have that much less of anxiety.
 

Buffallobull

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I do but they are probably going to be used as building material later on. Right now it all about connecting a logging road, and building a driveway...running power along it underground. Putting in a sand mound, excavating the basement...all that. The rock field is further up the hill.
I'm taking some advice from here and renting a 313 with a thumb for a week. See what happens.
 

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I'm taking some advice from here and renting a 313 with a thumb for a week. See what happens.
That's a great way to start. You'll quickly get a feel for how much power, weight, and features you'll want when you buy you're own machine.

A while back, I looked into renting before I bought my 325BL but decided not to do after I talked to my local Cat rental and tried to set it up. At that time, they said I needed to get certified to operate equipment (some kind of small short course) and maintain insurance which was frustrating but understandable. But what got me was the "weekly" rental was only 40hrs of machine time. I could never get a straight answer if that was 40 hours of the machine running at operating levels only or if it included idling times. In the meantime, my 325BL came up for auction and I bought it so I never rented. But bottom line, make sure you understand the terms of your rental and then plan around it so you can maximize your rental period.
 

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That's a great way to start. You'll quickly get a feel for how much power, weight, and features you'll want when you buy you're own machine.

A while back, I looked into renting before I bought my 325BL but decided not to do after I talked to my local Cat rental and tried to set it up. At that time, they said I needed to get certified to operate equipment (some kind of small short course) and maintain insurance which was frustrating but understandable. But what got me was the "weekly" rental was only 40hrs of machine time. I could never get a straight answer if that was 40 hours of the machine running at operating levels only or if it included idling times. In the meantime, my 325BL came up for auction and I bought it so I never rented. But bottom line, make sure you understand the terms of your rental and then plan around it so you can maximize your rental period.
Here it is 40 hours on the meter so idling or running wide out doesn't matter. I tell them hey if you're charging me based on meter time I'm going to start that thing and start hogging or you can give me a little buffer and I'll let her warm up a bit I also mention the starter, I will turn this machine off and on if I think I am going to sit for more than a 60 seconds. Some places will give me extra time especially in the winter since it needs to warm up to operate. All depends on where we rent from
 

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Here it is 40 hours on the meter so idling or running wide out doesn't matter. I tell them hey if you're charging me based on meter time I'm going to start that thing and start hogging or you can give me a little buffer and I'll let her warm up a bit I also mention the starter, I will turn this machine off and on if I think I am going to sit for more than a 60 seconds. Some places will give me extra time especially in the winter since it needs to warm up to operate. All depends on where we rent from
My friend since age 13 took over his parents vacation place, greatly enlarged it. He lived a few hours away, but spent a lot of time at his second home. He loved to rent equipment, often a mini ex, or a skid loader.
One rainy night he called; "I bent the shiney thing on the front. Can you straighten it?"

I went up. He had indeed bent the bucket cylinder's rod in a 90 degree arc. The dipper stick had a black wedge painted on it, or I first thought it did. Then, closer inspection, it was broken. Only the top face was bent, three other sides were broken.

"What in God's name were you trying to do?"

"I was breaking up ledge."

Next morning he called again: "I chained it up so it wouldn't do any more damage."

"How will it do more damage?" I asked.

"I'm using it to push rocks out of the lawn."

An hour later he called to ask where to get hydraulic hoses made. When I wanted to know why he needed hoses, he explained "A boulder fell over the top of the blade, knocked off a hose."

If you do rent, I Urge you to pay for the insurance.
 

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Good point, liability comes with it but where would I get damage insurance? It’s not offered with the rental. Small outfit…
 

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re: contractual liability. While AI is not a substitute for a lawyer, your favorite AI tool should be able to do a quick summary of your rental contract in plain speak so you have a better idea of what liability you have when you sign. Just ask for a copy of the contract to review before you sign- it's really simple and enlightening to have something like Gemini give you its perspective.
 

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I decline the insurance from the rental company and use my GL policy since I am already paying for it. The yard charges you for it whether you break anything or not and there is a deductible if you do. (I mentioned some this in post #305.) Like the post above I would reach out to your insurance agent and see what options you have through your insurance company. You might also ask the rental yard what they typically do to cover damages if something happens, surely they have a option, I wouldn't let my equipment go out without some type coverage for my machine that the customer was paying for and paying the deductible if we had to use it
 

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Marion Auction PA has a few interesting excavators and track loaders selling tomorrow
 

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I decline the insurance from the rental company and use my GL policy since I am already paying for it. The yard charges you for it whether you break anything or not and there is a deductible if you do. (I mentioned some this in post #305.) Like the post above I would reach out to your insurance agent and see what options you have through your insurance company. You might also ask the rental yard what they typically do to cover damages if something happens, surely they have a option, I wouldn't let my equipment go out without some type coverage for my machine that the customer was paying for and paying the deductible if we had to use it

Same here we have a rented equipment rider GL/inland marine policy. Used it today to rent a 160 Linkbelt from Equipmentshare.
 
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