Pettiboner
Well-Known Member
PART 1
The Grey Market truth.
So, a few years back I posted a question about the value of actually importing some grey machines from China for selling here in Canada to make profit enough to net a free machine for myself. I got some very good advice on here telling me this was a very bad idea. This advice I did not follow, to my own peril.
Being such a polite Canadian, with the typical inclusive Canadian value system I was sure that the advice I received at the time was born more of racial stereotyping than of actual fact. More of conjecture than real world experience. I have never been more wrong! The talk is real. The dealers in Shanghai...... well, I dont want to get censored here so I will stick to JUST the facts.
So here is my story. This is my actual experience being shared for anyone who may be thinking this is a good business to get into. It is also my "MIA CULPA" and an opportunity for all to say, "I TOLD YOU SO" and "IT SERVES YOU RIGHT TURKEY" and "DUMBASS" etc etc. I cam take it. Hell, I deserve it!! Perhaps reading this though, some other ambitious fellow will be warned enough to avoid the many pitfalls I was forced to dig my way out of in this colossal mess I created for myself.
In the months before covid was unleashed on our world, I located and contacted a couple of used equipment dealers in Shanghai. I struck a deal with Shanghai Steady Equipment to purchase 2 machines, a Komatsu PC40 and a Hitachi ZX50. These machines were advertised as having 2300 hours and 2800 hours and to be in good condition with no issues. That was the first big lie. Upon final arrival I found the Hitachi to have 10,300 hours, and the Komatsu meter to read 2800 hours but very clearly this is a high hour machine, 8000 plus, with pump issues and bad leaks from the pattern changer and from one final drive. They both have nice paint though!....
But I am getting ahead of myself. While shopping in Shanghai, I insisted on Japanese made machines and I insisted on seeing the manufacturers tag. One dealer told me they remove the tags for painting as they are usually smeared by rubbing against objects anyway. He kindly showed me the new tags they replace the old tags with before I told him I would not be buying any machines from him...ever.
A clearly stipulated condition of the agreement was that the machines had to be "cleaned and free of any soil, dirt, dust, grease and oil". This I was assured of prior to loading my machines into a 40' container and onto a ship in Shanghai heading for Canada. 1/2 payment up front, other half on arrival in Canada. 2 machines, the 40' container, shipping and terminal costs around $30,000 usd. Not bad I am thinking. This is gonna be great!!
The shipment arrived as scheduled, so far so good. My freight forwarder advised that customs had cleared the container to enter the country so 2nd half payment was advanced to Shanghai Steady. Within hours of second half payment being sent, my freight forwarder called to advise that my container status had changed, and that it was being seized for secondary examination by Canada Customs. This little privilege would cost me $3,000.00 for trucking to and from the examination facility and handling while there. Customs however, inspects the actual container free of charge! Such a deal.
I am not worried one bit. Everything is legit and I am a law abiding honest hardworking dumbass so I should be ok. Just another tax to pay Right?? Not.
About a week later I get a call from Customs. "Your machines are not suitable for entry into Canada. There is too much soil on the tracks and too much dirt and dust in the cabin. While they were inspecting the machines, a fair amount of disassembly occurred as far as panels etc which was left for me to deal with later.
The big takeaway here is the importation of foreign soil. Not allowed. Here or in the USA. Strictly forbidden in fact. My can was seized and ordered OUT of Canada at my expense, within 10 days.
The soil, according to international agreements must be returned to "country of origin". No other country signatory to this agreement will accept the soil, and the machines can not be cleaned here. The seller, Shanghai Steady refuses to accept return shipment so it cant go back to Shanghai. He says that because they are Japanese made machines, they are subject to a 30% duty to get back into China again. My freight forwarder has no clue what to do and drops me like a hot rock.
To be continued.....
The Grey Market truth.
So, a few years back I posted a question about the value of actually importing some grey machines from China for selling here in Canada to make profit enough to net a free machine for myself. I got some very good advice on here telling me this was a very bad idea. This advice I did not follow, to my own peril.
Being such a polite Canadian, with the typical inclusive Canadian value system I was sure that the advice I received at the time was born more of racial stereotyping than of actual fact. More of conjecture than real world experience. I have never been more wrong! The talk is real. The dealers in Shanghai...... well, I dont want to get censored here so I will stick to JUST the facts.
So here is my story. This is my actual experience being shared for anyone who may be thinking this is a good business to get into. It is also my "MIA CULPA" and an opportunity for all to say, "I TOLD YOU SO" and "IT SERVES YOU RIGHT TURKEY" and "DUMBASS" etc etc. I cam take it. Hell, I deserve it!! Perhaps reading this though, some other ambitious fellow will be warned enough to avoid the many pitfalls I was forced to dig my way out of in this colossal mess I created for myself.
In the months before covid was unleashed on our world, I located and contacted a couple of used equipment dealers in Shanghai. I struck a deal with Shanghai Steady Equipment to purchase 2 machines, a Komatsu PC40 and a Hitachi ZX50. These machines were advertised as having 2300 hours and 2800 hours and to be in good condition with no issues. That was the first big lie. Upon final arrival I found the Hitachi to have 10,300 hours, and the Komatsu meter to read 2800 hours but very clearly this is a high hour machine, 8000 plus, with pump issues and bad leaks from the pattern changer and from one final drive. They both have nice paint though!....
But I am getting ahead of myself. While shopping in Shanghai, I insisted on Japanese made machines and I insisted on seeing the manufacturers tag. One dealer told me they remove the tags for painting as they are usually smeared by rubbing against objects anyway. He kindly showed me the new tags they replace the old tags with before I told him I would not be buying any machines from him...ever.
A clearly stipulated condition of the agreement was that the machines had to be "cleaned and free of any soil, dirt, dust, grease and oil". This I was assured of prior to loading my machines into a 40' container and onto a ship in Shanghai heading for Canada. 1/2 payment up front, other half on arrival in Canada. 2 machines, the 40' container, shipping and terminal costs around $30,000 usd. Not bad I am thinking. This is gonna be great!!
The shipment arrived as scheduled, so far so good. My freight forwarder advised that customs had cleared the container to enter the country so 2nd half payment was advanced to Shanghai Steady. Within hours of second half payment being sent, my freight forwarder called to advise that my container status had changed, and that it was being seized for secondary examination by Canada Customs. This little privilege would cost me $3,000.00 for trucking to and from the examination facility and handling while there. Customs however, inspects the actual container free of charge! Such a deal.
I am not worried one bit. Everything is legit and I am a law abiding honest hardworking dumbass so I should be ok. Just another tax to pay Right?? Not.
About a week later I get a call from Customs. "Your machines are not suitable for entry into Canada. There is too much soil on the tracks and too much dirt and dust in the cabin. While they were inspecting the machines, a fair amount of disassembly occurred as far as panels etc which was left for me to deal with later.
The big takeaway here is the importation of foreign soil. Not allowed. Here or in the USA. Strictly forbidden in fact. My can was seized and ordered OUT of Canada at my expense, within 10 days.
The soil, according to international agreements must be returned to "country of origin". No other country signatory to this agreement will accept the soil, and the machines can not be cleaned here. The seller, Shanghai Steady refuses to accept return shipment so it cant go back to Shanghai. He says that because they are Japanese made machines, they are subject to a 30% duty to get back into China again. My freight forwarder has no clue what to do and drops me like a hot rock.
To be continued.....