capt_met
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looking forward to the pictures.
congrats on the new machine
congrats on the new machine
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Kubota M59
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Bearmtnmartin
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actually I haven't bought it yet. I just demoed it for a day. I am considering it, but not sure yet if its the way to go.
I have a 2008 M59 that I use pretty heavily for everything from light demolition and excavation to tool handling and finish grading. It is a very versatile machine due to the pin on backhoe, with some practice the backhoe can be removed and the 3 point hitch installed in less than 15 minutes. The front end loader is exceptionally strong, although the bucket probobly should be a tad smaller. The backhoe operation is smooth and relatively quick for a machine of this type/size. I would like to hear what other's have to say about this machine.
Bear,
I can't imagine the Kubota having enough breakout force compared to your 110 to make you happy.
I know you hated your 110, but that machine is actually known for having exceptional breakout force hydraulics, IIRC.
I think the M59 was designed more for transportation than anything. It's bigger than the 48 or 110, but small enough to pull around with a dually, maybe evn an SRW 1-ton and no CDL (except CA, of course) on a 12 or 14K trailer.
I just worked along side a L-48 and when I got off my NH and operated the L-48, I felt like I was on a sandbox toy.
Maybe your line of work is better executed with a small machine, size isn't everything. I just couldn't picture digging a whole house, rainwater retention or quickly loading a large dump with a little machine like that.
Good luck with it. I'll be pickin your brain for NH info lol
I can't imagine the Kubota having enough breakout force compared to your 110 to make you happy.
I know you hated your 110, but that machine is actually known for having exceptional breakout force hydraulics, IIRC.
I think the M59 was designed more for transportation than anything. It's bigger than the 48 or 110, but small enough to pull around with a dually, maybe evn an SRW 1-ton and no CDL (except CA, of course) on a 12 or 14K trailer.
I just worked along side a L-48 and when I got off my NH and operated the L-48, I felt like I was on a sandbox toy.
Maybe your line of work is better executed with a small machine, size isn't everything. I just couldn't picture digging a whole house, rainwater retention or quickly loading a large dump with a little machine like that.
Good luck with it. I'll be pickin your brain for NH info lol
Bearmtnmartin
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hey Duke,
actually I really like my LB110. The first year was awful, partly because of shoddy assembly, and partly because of incompetent mechanics making a bad situation worse. I stopped going to the construction dealership and went instead to an Ag dealer, and they had my hoe cleaned up completely in 2 visits. I had 4 trouble free years after that. And I know from running other gear that its light years ahead in power, lift, and most other specs. And if you have questions about yours, I will be happy to help. As for down sizing, I have been chewing that one over for a few years now. I specialize in septic systems. In fact thats almost all I do, and its huge over kill to show up with a tandem gravel truck, lowbed and 18000 pound hoe just to dig a 6 foot hole for a tank, and three trenches less than 2 feet deep. Usually in a back yard where my hoe won't fit anyway, so I end up subbing out the digging. I think I am leaning toward a bobcat like capt mets or an ingersol rand. One day I will actually take the plunge and pry open my wallet, but until then ol LB still does the job every day.
actually I really like my LB110. The first year was awful, partly because of shoddy assembly, and partly because of incompetent mechanics making a bad situation worse. I stopped going to the construction dealership and went instead to an Ag dealer, and they had my hoe cleaned up completely in 2 visits. I had 4 trouble free years after that. And I know from running other gear that its light years ahead in power, lift, and most other specs. And if you have questions about yours, I will be happy to help. As for down sizing, I have been chewing that one over for a few years now. I specialize in septic systems. In fact thats almost all I do, and its huge over kill to show up with a tandem gravel truck, lowbed and 18000 pound hoe just to dig a 6 foot hole for a tank, and three trenches less than 2 feet deep. Usually in a back yard where my hoe won't fit anyway, so I end up subbing out the digging. I think I am leaning toward a bobcat like capt mets or an ingersol rand. One day I will actually take the plunge and pry open my wallet, but until then ol LB still does the job every day.
I see. That helps me understand a bunch.
Surprised you don't go with a mini ex for digging and a skidder for clean-up???:beatsme
Or how about a mini ex with a power angle blade and a 3-4' ditching bucket for clean-up? That's what all the smaller septic guys around me use.
I do like the idea of a smaller machine in your case, but you should try to find one with a cab to make the day more comfortable.
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Well I want a cab for sure. I'm up here in BC. Unfortunately, that is a 14000 dollar option on any of these machines if you want a nice one. I have thought about a mini ex, but I ruled that out. All they really do well is dig. I have used them and I prefer a rubber tire. And I have a mini skid that I take along to backfill and landscape after I'm done.That with the rubber tire is actually a nice combination.
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well, either i get a small machine with a canopy, which is a dirt cheap option, and keep my NH for big jobs and rough weather(of course I don't plan to do most of the operating, so it will be someone else getting cold!) or I get a used bobcat or JCB machine which came with a cab, and/or keep the NH, or I sell/trade the NH and buy something like the M59 with a Laurin cab. They look factory and come with heat air, but it makes the machine so pricy that keeping the NH is no longer an option.
capt_met
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Martin,
it is funny we are looking at similar problems from diffrent snds of the spectrum. i have looked at the M59 and agree that with the laurin cab it is too pricy. i can find a used full sized terex w/ cab heat and air. as well as all the modern conveniances for less. in the end i believe this will be the route i take. and keep the b300 till it falls completely apart. i would love to see JD come out with a slighty larger 110 that has cab but still a smaller footprint than the 310. if it came in over 10,000 lbs. that would be fine. there is a big diffrence between towing 8 tons and towing 10 or more tons. maybe kubota will come out with a factory cab sometime and can get the price down some. we'll see.
it is funny we are looking at similar problems from diffrent snds of the spectrum. i have looked at the M59 and agree that with the laurin cab it is too pricy. i can find a used full sized terex w/ cab heat and air. as well as all the modern conveniances for less. in the end i believe this will be the route i take. and keep the b300 till it falls completely apart. i would love to see JD come out with a slighty larger 110 that has cab but still a smaller footprint than the 310. if it came in over 10,000 lbs. that would be fine. there is a big diffrence between towing 8 tons and towing 10 or more tons. maybe kubota will come out with a factory cab sometime and can get the price down some. we'll see.
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Hi Metin,
thanks for the reply at the other place. I'm still waffling about what to do. I guess if the price is right I will buy it and take my chances. Or not......
thanks for the reply at the other place. I'm still waffling about what to do. I guess if the price is right I will buy it and take my chances. Or not......
Bear,
Oops I had a misfire the first time. I own a M59 that I have used since last Fall, and must say that for the size/weight it is a rather capable machine. No it won't dig like a full size backhoe, nor is it as efficient of a digger as a mid-size mini-ex, but I haven't found much it won't do yet. I take advantage of it's versatility as best I can through the use of the 3-point hitch and the skid steer type auxillary hydraulics on the loader. While not as quick as a skid steer with hauling material or as capable at excavation as a mini-ex, I have felt as though I am getting my money's worth through the ease of transportation, relatively compact size, and very versatile design.
Oops I had a misfire the first time. I own a M59 that I have used since last Fall, and must say that for the size/weight it is a rather capable machine. No it won't dig like a full size backhoe, nor is it as efficient of a digger as a mid-size mini-ex, but I haven't found much it won't do yet. I take advantage of it's versatility as best I can through the use of the 3-point hitch and the skid steer type auxillary hydraulics on the loader. While not as quick as a skid steer with hauling material or as capable at excavation as a mini-ex, I have felt as though I am getting my money's worth through the ease of transportation, relatively compact size, and very versatile design.
I bet for the price of an M59 w/ cab you could get a very low hr used cab/air mini ex and a practically new cab/air skid steer. Those 2 machines will get jobs done 2X as fast as a backhoe.
Smaller backhoes without cabs are like swiss army knives. They can do almost anything, but nothing fast or very efficient. Without the cab that far up north.....dang, I'd be a hurtin pup.
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well, this morning I demoed a JCB midi. Its a nice machine. I may go that way now. I think I've narrowed it down to the JCB or the M59. They are very similar, but the JCB has more cab room(yes you can get a cab) is heavier built, but only has a 10 foot dig. If I buy it I will add a homemade extenda hoe. The M59 is a bigger machine, but they weigh the same. Most of the JCB components are heavier, and one concern I have with the M59 is that things like pins and bushings are pretty spindly.I may just keep my old one for a while to see how it all works out. I have ruled out the Bobcat/IR because of parts and service concerns. Bobcat basically told me to don't even talk to them about it. And the Yanmar is underpowered, doesn't have a cab, and similar money to the JCB for a machine with no resale value. At least around here.
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Martin.
Sims makes a cab for the Kubota M59 - www.cabdepot.com. I looked at their site a couple of days ago and I think it sells for around $4000 without heat and A/C.
Also - if you have any further info about JCB I'd like to hear your feedback. Me and my brother own a company and we dig graves. We are currently using a Kubota L39. We really like the Kubota but have considered going with JCB if/when we trade.
Thanks.
Sims makes a cab for the Kubota M59 - www.cabdepot.com. I looked at their site a couple of days ago and I think it sells for around $4000 without heat and A/C.
Also - if you have any further info about JCB I'd like to hear your feedback. Me and my brother own a company and we dig graves. We are currently using a Kubota L39. We really like the Kubota but have considered going with JCB if/when we trade.
Thanks.