MR. KOBELCO
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- PARTS & SERVICE MGR. AMOUNG OTHER HATS @ KOBELCO D
Hello,
Today I visit that machine again and I am not happy.
Firts the machine model and serial: SK200 YNU0107
I have checked and Boom cylinders are not bypassing.
Than I connect flow turbine to P2 and I record:
1.) cold oil 25 deg.C
min engine rev. and S....19,2 l/min
max. engine rev. and S ...37,5 l/min
Boom lifting - P2 for support in conflux ...137 l/min at cca.(sombody corrupt my fitting for pressure transduser and I used analog manometer) 120 bar. When boom reached highest level pressure rised to 280 bar and flow went slowly to 75l/min but only if I held boom joystic contiusly after I reach toppest point. If jostick was relised and pushed agan than only 40 l/min was got out of pump.Here I suspect pump regulator fault.
Arm cylinder opening: 240 l/min at 50-100 bar - in vertical position arms waits a little bit ( flow still stand on 240 l/min) and than continue. When it reacjh final position flow ends at 43 l/mon at 280 bar.
Arm cylinder closing: 150 l/min and when reached final position stayed at 280 bar.
2.) worm oil tank outside 40 deg.C and Al flow turbine 50 deg. C
Still P2.
Travel uphill 150l/min at 100 bar. Both tracks moves with the same speed.
Boom lifting - P2 for support in conflux ...130 l/min at 120 bar. When boom reached highest level pressure rised to 280 bar and flow went slowly to 60 l/min but only if I held boom joystic contiusly after I reach toppest point. If jostick was relised and pushed agan than only 26 l/min !! was got out of pump.Here I suspect pump regulator fault again.
Arm retracting at 200 l/min and extending at 130 l/min ( cca. 15 % slower than cold)
Arm cylinder full open: 270 bar and 42 l/min
Arm cylinder closing: 270 bar and 26 l/min. Why is here difference at pump flow??
When boom lifting is operate with arm extending at the same time arm move fast and boom very slow hardly noticed (flow on P2 105 l/mn). When arm extented to the end boom started to move faster.
Swing 150 l/min when rottating around.
I changed also pipes on pump in that way that P1 becamed P2 and also Pi1,2 lines to. and flow turbine stayed on the same line. And the measuring was identical.
When I went digging in to the sand I loaded full bucket of wet sand. I noticed that Bucket did not have power to close, arm also did not have power to retract ( I heard high tone of pump noise ( regulating to min ( 42l/min on P2) and than ofcourse boom did not have power to lift ( flow meter showed 27 l/min at 280 bar).
Than I lowered the boom and lifted myself ( also lifting was not easy ( lack of power) after few attemps I lifted myself up with boom and than fast swiched comand to boom lift and than the boom managed to lift normaly ( also dieselengine felt that) and flow meter showed 62 l/min at 280 bar. When I stoped lifting and tried again with lifting problem was again here. Flow was a little higher 66 l/min and pressure 280 bar but the boom did not lit anymore , pump hered regulating and engine dont felt it.
I could not test pump 1 because there was diferent fitting wich i did not have with me nd the shops was closed alredy.
I suspect pump regulation, but it is strange for me.
What Do You think?
Regards,
Gregor
hi Gregor,
one more check, i have run into this lately, good thing to be aware of
tee before (pilot gear pump) and after the pilot lever lock solenoid too
calculate the difference between the 2 pressure gauges
pilot pump # bar minus the outlet # bar after the lever lock solenoid = the total pressure drop across the solenoid valve.
if this pilot lever lock solenoid is starting to fail especially once it warms up as current passes thru it
it can lose its magnetic force causing a flow restriction resulting in a higher pressure
if you change the solenoid the pilot oil flow will increase and pressure to rest of pilot system flooding the signal circuits to the ports
and thus shifting the neutral bypass cut spools more dropping the pi1/pi2 pressures at the hyd pump regulators which will result in a higher and
more stable reaction of oil flow delivery out of your main hydr pumps.
plus the conflux spools will open more also delivering more oil and increase speeds.
just a thought
cheers!
adam