Hein werner, bang, blew oil every where

[maddog]

My HW was working great, when out of the blue it made a bang and then blew oil every where. It was getting dark so I couldn't see anything, I have a feeling this isn't going to be good :Banghead I really do like this machine but have a feeling this might be one repair that will cost more then what it is worth

 

[jimrr]

yea, warner swasey did same thing near dark. was a hose............what kind of oil? send photo!

 

[maddog]

I checked it out, hole in the side of the engine block right behind/next to the starter

 

[thebaz]

Rod let go?
Sorry to hear.

 

[maddog]

That's what I figured I'm sure this machine owes the world nothing. I have no idea how many actual hrs are on it but I'll bet it has seen more then it's fair share of dirt rocks sand mud............ Looks like it will be going to the scap yard

 

[jimrr]

tragedy, why don't you look for another plant first? u don't need to spend serious $ to find something to turn that pump.

 

[maddog]

What would work, does it have to be another detroit, I noticed the pumps work best when in high rev.

 

[2stickbill]

I checked it out, hole in the side of the engine block right behind/next to the starter

I think you might have found the oil leak.Plus what caused the big bang.Good job.:drinkup

 

[orville]

A friend had a rod come through the side of a detroit. Disassembled the engine, welded a mild steel patch in the hole. Rebuilt the engine, put it back in a small dozer and ran it. Don't know what the rebuild cost.
Good luck

 

[thebaz]

I don't think that Detroits rev as high as they sound, you may be able to repower with something quieter and more economical. Are used Detroits pricey?

 

[maddog]

A rebuild kit cost around $1500.00 if my engine is worth rebuilding?? A good used running detroit engine, from what I've come up with so far, is pricy around $5000.00 or more.

Thebaz; I think you may be correct I'm going to check into it more. I do know the engine in it now when running was a fuel pig, it seemed like it burned it just has fast as I could poor it in.

 

[jimrr]

pump rpm may be a critical factor here so u may have to consider operating rpm before anything else. the fixit job mentioned above sounds ok also.... i have a 413 block in race car welded, works good.

 

[thebaz]

This may be a good resource if you go the rebuild, http://www.dieselenginetrader.com/diesel_talk/index.cfm?nocookies=yed
and according to this
http://www.adieselengine.com/new_page_1.htm
most detroits are around the 2100 rpm range.
Put a 3208 cat motor @ 2800rpm you will have a real fast machine
Baz

 

[2stickbill]

Some of the 5.9 Cummins are in a lot of Machinery.Seen one put in a Skidder that had a Detroit.Only difference was quieter and less fuel.

 

[thebaz]

Some of the 5.9 Cummins are in a lot of Machinery.Seen one put in a Skidder that had a Detroit.Only difference was quieter and less fuel.

Those Cummins B motors are everywhere and are pretty much bulletproof.
Good re-power option if one is available at a good price

 

[maddog]

Thanks everyone I'm gonna start the search and see what I can come up with. I'm also going to check out the original and see if it is worth saving.

 

[jimrr]

good advise here, i should think you can eventually find a affordable plant some place that will power this machine. you'll just have to do some digging and keep your eyes/ears open.... lots of us are looking for things.

 

[maddog]

From what I can figure I have the detroit 6V53 that runs at 2800rpm, the 3208 cat and the 5.9cummins{24V} also run at a higher rpm so they may work. I also saw something somewhere{can't remember???} that said these machine might of even had a 318 chrysler or perkins diesel in them.

 

[thebaz]

The *53 detroits rev a bit harder than the *71s. narrows the options a bit. I think the Cummins would be a better option than the Cat, would a 12v be a cheaper option. I think they are governed at 2500rpm.

 

[Dominion 410]

re-power

I know someone who re-powered a Hein-Werner with an Isuzu out of a GMC Forward. Works fine and a lot quieter.

Dominion:canada