Welder Dave
Senior Member
No. Have you noticed anytime they show an ad of a 1 ton towing a way too big of load it's always off road and never on the highway.
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I hang a 4500 pound bumper-pull tilt-deck trailer with the T770, dirt bucket, grapple bucket, and 2500 lb brush mower behind my F550.So is this not realistic
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I wouldn’t be afraid to run that set up either and have. When I first got my Case 650 I pulled it with my F-250 as pictured. It did fine too. But I’m using a 1 ton Dodge now with the high output engine and aisin transmission and prefer it. The load is compliant with the mfg specs on truck and trailer and legal as not for hire personal use….I hang a 4500 pound bumper-pull tilt-deck trailer with the T770, dirt bucket, grapple bucket, and 2500 lb brush mower behind my F550.
The whole rig weighs right around 33k when I have the service tanks full of fuel. I can stop from 65 mph a whole lot faster than I can with my 7 axle lowboy rig at 100k.
Now, I've never pulled this load with a 1 ton, but I can't believe it would be much different. The pickup, trailer, and load in that picture probably weighs right at the 37k. 10k pickup, 7k trailer, 20k dozer. I would not be scared to drive that rig anywhere on the open road. Now, if I had to drive in Kansas City traffic, I'd surely want a class 8 truck, but that's because the idiot public respects a semi.
I can totally see “operators” using small dump trucks to haul with. I’m always trying to differentiate between commercial operators and the guy like myself that has to move personal equipment from one property to another on rare (like once every 4-5 years) occasions. I too own an F-650 dump truck rated at 25,999K pounds, but I won’t move my dozer with it as it seems very dangerous to me with its hydraulic brakes. I prefer my new 1 ton Dodge flat bed…I wish my dump truck had air brakes like my A class…..Many of our small operators roll with a dump truck and appropriate trailer for small dozers, track loaders, backhoes, and excavators. Lots of flexibility because of the overall usefulness of a dump truck as well.
That is 100% unsafe, regardless of what the truck/trailer mfg's say. You don't have nearly enough tongue weight on the truck, in fact the truck isn't even rated to carry the ~5000lbs of tongue weight you should have. Come into a down hill curve a little too fast or get cut off in traffic and that's all she wrote. Lastly, if you still think that rig is safe, unplug the electric trailer brakes and try to stop from 65mph, it won't be pretty. You think that sounds like crazy talk, but your life and everyone around you is dependent on one little wire and a plastic trailer plug....I wouldn’t be afraid to run that set up either and have. When I first got my Case 650 I pulled it with my F-250 as pictured. It did fine too. But I’m using a 1 ton Dodge now with the high output engine and aisin transmission and prefer it. The load is compliant with the mfg specs on truck and trailer and legal as not for hire personal use….
I’m always trying to differentiate between commercial operators and the guy like myself that has to move personal equipment from one property to another on rare (like once every 4-5 years) occasions.
Explain how using a class 6 truck with hydraulic brakes is less safe than using a 3/4-1 ton pickup with hydraulic brakes? Most modern medium duty trucks with hydraulic brakes have as much or more redundancy built into the braking system than light duty trucks. You're relying on electric trailer brakes either way, at least the f650 has the tires, suspension, brakes and weight to control the trailer better in the event the electric trailer brakes fail.I can totally see “operators” using small dump trucks to haul with. I’m always trying to differentiate between commercial operators and the guy like myself that has to move personal equipment from one property to another on rare (like once every 4-5 years) occasions. I too own an F-650 dump truck rated at 25,999K pounds, but I won’t move my dozer with it as it seems very dangerous to me with its hydraulic brakes. I prefer my new 1 ton Dodge flat bed…I wish my dump truck had air brakes like my A class…..
Sounds like you did everything right, glad it turned out okay! Scary…..wowI too learned the hard way about 20yrs ago. My cousin and I were working summers for my uncles HVAC/electrical company. We were in a mid 90' Chevy C1500 long bed towing a 16' tandem axle enclosed job site trailer with some tools, fittings and a gas furnace in it. Total towed load was less than 5000lbs, so not over loaded 'by the specs' for the truck. My cousin was driving and were headed down I-74 just across the IL line when someone not paying attention changed lanes without looking. My cousin swerved to avoid being hit which started the whole rig wagging. It got out of control very quickly, he grabbed the trailer brakes but they weren't enough to straighten it out. Next thing you know we were upside down in the median, luckily we had slowed down enough the roll over was pretty gentle. We were wearing our seat belts and were uninjured. Before we could even get our seat belts off other motorist had stopped and were kicking out the windows and screaming and ripping at us trying to pull us out. Obliviously it must have looked a lot worse than it was or people just like to over react, but we crawled out without a scratch. It could have been much worse, but was a very good lesson.
I’ve moved with both and I do not like the braking on the dump truck….♂️Explain how using a class 6 truck with hydraulic brakes is less safe than using a 3/4-1 ton pickup with hydraulic brakes? Most modern medium duty trucks with hydraulic brakes have as much or more redundancy built into the braking system than light duty trucks. You're relying on electric trailer brakes either way, at least the f650 has the tires, suspension, brakes and weight to control the trailer better in the event the electric trailer brakes fail.
I’m moving legal, what are you referring to?You seem stuck on this idea. Why?
The 1 ton Dodge flatbed and tandem dually I move with is legal and safe…That is 100% unsafe, regardless of what the truck/trailer mfg's say. You don't have nearly enough tongue weight on the truck, in fact the truck isn't even rated to carry the ~5000lbs of tongue weight you should have. Come into a down hill curve a little too fast or get cut off in traffic and that's all she wrote. Lastly, if you still think that rig is safe, unplug the electric trailer brakes and try to stop from 65mph, it won't be pretty. You think that sounds like crazy talk, but your life and everyone around you is dependent on one little wire and a plastic trailer plug....
That’s a good looking truck/trailer setup, signage etc….We've talked about this in the past but this is a tractor with fluid in the tires and just under 23K in weight. The trailer is about 8900# empty and the truck is a 2013 F-650 Ford with a V-10 gasolline engine.
I hauled this tractor to Kansas City, MO back in February 2021 and didn't have issues other than slow going and fuel thirsty:
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Truck has hydraulic brakes and trailer brakes are electric. I installed a four axle capacity brake controller to allow for additional "grab" in brake application and it works well