Ford New Holland 555E cylinder gland change 555E

[treborterb]

So I have what I believe is a 1997 New Holland 555E and have a curl cylinder that is leaking and will be attempting to change the seals but have run into a problem with the seal kits for this cylinder. Seems that Ford/New Holland changed the gland that goes in that cylinder and because the old style gland is discontinued, so are the rebuild kits for it. Seems that all the currently sold kits are for the new style gland and they do not fit the old gland. I have seen info that explained that the seals should all still available for this gland, so I was wondering does anyone know if the old seal kits are even available or does anyone know where to get the old gland seal kits.

 

[NH575E]

Welcome to New Holland cylinder rebuilding.

I haven't done a curl cylinder yet. SWETS should be along shortly with some guidance.

 

[NH575E]

The catch is different years will encounter different hurdles. My machine was built in 98 and so far every cylinder has gone down a rabbit hole.

This is why I want a paper parts manual with an early copyright.

 

[Swetz]

So I have what I believe is a 1997 New Holland 555E and have a curl cylinder that is leaking

Are you talking about the front bucket curl or the backhoe bucket curl?

 

[treborterb]

Front bucket curl cylinder

 

[treborterb]

So I just got off the phone with my local new holland parts dealer and he has to do more checking but says that depending on the particular backhoe serial number...I might have to buy the piston as well as the gland...rabbit hole...

 

[treborterb]

The parts guy did mention something about New Holland bringing back certain cylinder seal kits, but only mentioned it and then quickly changed the subject...hope he doesn't get amnesia when I ask him again about it if my machine happens to be the one that needs both the gland and piston replaced cuz I would rather buy just the seal kit.

 

[Swetz]

Ok, I can confirm that on my 1999 675E the kit listed for your machine fit, without problems. I have attached the diagram from Messicks. I have also included a link to the place that I purchased my kits. You will notice that they are substantially less expensive than the NH price. The kit is a Hercules brand kit.

https://cea-services.com/products/85804740-seal-kit-fits-ford?_pos=1&_sid=978c81307&_ss=r

 

[Tinkerer]

It may help if you have your gland removed from the rod, so that the parts guy can determine what you have.

 

[Swetz]

Additional notes:
The gland is not threaded on. There is a wire between the gland and the barrel that will come out as the gland is loosened. You will get a new wire in the kit.


You can see the end of the wire in this pic

This is how I supported it to remove the rod bolt

Cylinder supported. You need to remove the side cover in order to get the lower pin out. That will allow you to pull the rod end off the linkage.

 

[NH575E]

In my PDF parts manual it lists a version 1 and 2 cylinder but I can't find a serial number split to differentiate which model had which cylinder. If I were a betting man I would bet your hoe has the early cylinder.

FYI your serial number is stamped in the frame on the right side by the engine cover.

Cliff at CEA may have some notes in his book to help you decide. (813) 365-0042
https://cea-services.com/products/85802567-seal-kit-fits-ford?_pos=1&_sid=5ab7d4f90&_ss=r

EDIT: It looks like version 1 has the holes in the face of the gland nut and version 2 has the notches like Swetz's cylinder has.




Loader Control Cylinder
Page 1.88.11/ 1 Kit #85802567

Page 1.88.11/ 2 Kit #85804740

 

[treborterb]

Just got off the phone again with the parts dealer and he says that it is not required to buy both the piston shaft and the gland ...but if the gland that is currently in the cylinder has a squared shoulder then it needs to be replaced with a new gland and seal kit...but if it has a rounded shoulder then the gland does not need to be replaced and can be reused with a new seal kit and the gland is $230.00 and the seal kit is another $121.00 so roughly $350.00. If you are lucky enough to already have the correct gland (with the rounded shoulder)...you can purchase just the seal kit, which according to this parts guy now comes in two separate kits...one for each end...$220 for one kit for the gland and $121 for the other end...and thats without the gland. Makes absolutely no sense...may as well get the new gland and seal kit for a little more money. So if I'm LUCKY enough to already have the correct round shouldered gland I can pay almost as much as a new gland AND seal kit.

 

[NH575E]

My 98 built machine has the version 2 gland.

 

[NH575E]

Here's what I would do.

If your gland has the Version 2 notches like Swetz I would order the 85804740 kit from CEA.
https://cea-services.com/products/85804740-seal-kit-fits-ford?_pos=1&_sid=978c81307&_ss=r

If it has the holes in the face like the Version 1 picture I would order the 85802567 kit.
https://cea-services.com/products/85804740-seal-kit-fits-ford?_pos=1&_sid=978c81307&_ss=r

Good luck with the repair and keep us informed how it goes.

 

[Swetz]

Just got off the phone again with the parts dealer and he says that it is not required to buy both the piston shaft and the gland ...but if the gland that is currently in the cylinder has a squared shoulder then it needs to be replaced with a new gland and seal kit...but if it has a rounded shoulder then the gland does not need to be replaced and can be reused with a new seal kit and the gland is $230.00 and the seal kit is another $121.00 so roughly $350.00. If you are lucky enough to already have the correct gland (with the rounded shoulder)...you can purchase just the seal kit, which according to this parts guy now comes in two separate kits...one for each end...$220 for one kit for the gland and $121 for the other end...and thats without the gland. Makes absolutely no sense...may as well get the new gland and seal kit for a little more money. So if I'm LUCKY enough to already have the correct round shouldered gland I can pay almost as much as a new gland AND seal kit.

My advice is in line with NH575E...Spend the $35 and take a gamble that you get the correct kit. You do not need the gland nut if you have the version 2. The kit was correct for me.

 

[treborterb]

Thanks for the info Swetz...I'll be picking up a seal kit asap.

 

[treborterb]

Sorry, didn't mean to leave you out...thanks NH575E...and also for the PDF manual advice.

 

[treborterb]

Just hung up with CEA services and by their suggestion ordered the 85804740 seal kit for $34.48, with shipping around $41.50. He was looking at multiple cross references and he even said it was difficult to nail down which seal kit and acknowledged the cluster fox that Ford New Holland made here. But I'll try that before spending the bigger bucks on all that other mess, which I probably will do if the kit fails. Thanks to all who helped and I'll post an update when I get it done...

 

[treborterb]

What I meant was that they agreed with what Swetz and NH575 said first.

 

[NH575E]

You can look the seals over pretty good without opening the package. CEA will take returns.

When I did my crowd cylinder there were 3 possible kits. I ordered all 3. One had everything but a wiper seal that fit. I returned the 2 kits that wouldn't work and had to order a wiper seal by size off eBay.