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Employee Search

Reuben Frazier

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I know you guys are having the same issues we are but I’m interested to hear how everyone else in the industry is locating operators/workers? I need to fill about 10 positions and i simply can’t find anyone to work. Ive got machines sitting that need to be running so if anyone has any special potions for finding workers please share it with the rest of us. Anyone use temp agency’s to find operators? They claim to have some looking for work but I’m sceered to pull the trigger..
 

chidog

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Some of it may depend on what sort of work you do. Back in the day, and even now I would want nothing to do with the piddly jobs working small stuff around houses, in citys etc. Only interested in big clearing and dirt work, used to do many 10 to 50 acre clearing and dirt, road and lot grades for housing projects.
Always thought logging roads and pioneering roads in the mountains would be fun too.
Never wanted anything to do with underground.
 

Coaldust

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Subarctic Backwoods Trailer Park
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Big trucks is what I know. HAZMAT is what I tow.
We’ve been chatting about the labor shortage in a couple of the other threads. What a crazy situation. I’m seeing wages go up incrementally, almost quarterly to retain good people.

Human Resource departments, are often a drain on an organization. An un-profit center. Especially, mediocre ones. I wonder if key managers and principals are going to hold HR managers accountable regarding the failing performance of their recruitment processes? Might be a sketchy time to be working in HR.

I’m not seeing any particular organization having better luck at recruiting vs their competition. It has the change because there are some huge projects on the horizon.
 

Coaldust

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Big trucks is what I know. HAZMAT is what I tow.
The seasonal hospitality industry in my area have the H-1B visa thing figured out. Holland America Princess Tours come to mind. Mostly laborers, bus washers, cooks, stewards, grounds keepers, greeters, bar tenders.
 

aighead

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Dayton, OH
I'm not in the industry but run a few production lines in a high tech factory. We struggle to find good people too. I'm guessing that about 1 in 10 is the right fit for us and even then those are not cream of the crop. We don't pay real well but the work is easy. We can find someone that shows up, works hard, but isn't fun to deal with; or works hard, is nice to deal with, but doesn't show up; or works hard, shows up, but isn't smart enough to learn/retain info; or shows up, is ok to deal with, but doesn't work hard.
 

crane operator

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Expecting 10 new good operator hands to show up on Monday morning, is really unrealistic.

I'm pretty small, there's only 5 of us. I pay a little more than the surrounding area, and I try to treat my guys the way I want to be treated. Make sure they can have off when they need off, try to get them the equipment and tools that they need, when they need them.

Someone a while back, made the comment that "most people don't leave bad jobs, they leave bad bosses". Guys in the industry have chosen to be in that industry, so I think its important to be honest with yourself and try to see why you can't get good people. Personally, I can be a fussy prick about some things, so I try to just watch what I say and how I act. No one wants to get their ass chewed every day.

I think its important to be picky about who you hire, and try to create a culture of good guys, because the good guys don't want to work with jackwagons.

If you are a 200 employee business, and you are 10 guys short, that isn't a big deal. If you are 10 guys short and you only have 5 guys on the current payroll, that's a big deal and can make a guy decide to retire.

I also try to keep a "little black book" of guys, that I would like to hire if I need help.

I think its important to try to be the place, that guys say "if I ever get the chance, that's who I would want to work for".
 

CM1995

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Alabama
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Running what I brung and taking what I win
Ruben give us a little more detail on your business. Like Crane op said a 200 person business is alot different than a 5-20 person business.

We are small as well only 5 of us however we are always looking for new folks but not actively recruiting at the moment. The ITB's we usually get have slowed dramatically in my inbox which is typical for an election year so not too eager to take another mouth on to feed until after Nov. We treat our guys like family so if we hire someone we need to have the work for them in addition to the onboarding, training and insurance cost.

What type of benefits do you offer? We offer company paid (individual) heath insurance with vision and dental, phone, paid training, company vehicle, vacation and PTO. Vacation and PTO add up to 30 days paid per year. Our pay is on the upper end of the scale in our market.

One thing we have started to implement to help ease the labor shortage is technology. Are your machines and projects running GPS?

GPS has transformed how we build projects. Our work load is usually small commercial, industrial and institutional jobs from $250K to $1M. All of these projects have decent civil drawings suitable for GPS machine work. Now I can take 2 very good operators and do the finish work of a crew of 4. No more need for hubs, string lines or someone to hold the grade rod. We will probably buy an autonomous roller in the next 5 years, the technology is already here.

It's a brave new world. IMO we are experiencing the skilled trade shortage that the industry has been discussing for the last 15 years and it sucks.
 

Reuben Frazier

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We run a demolition company where we could be clearing TxDot ROW’s including houses, buildings and trees to taking down large structures with Volvo 380 and 480 demo units and all the smaller things in between. We’ve been doing ok with manpower with most of our guys being long timers but we have more work and it’s spreading our crews pretty thin. We have close to 400 employees and haven't had a real issue up until this year but it’s gotten pretty bad. The last guy I hired showed up 3 days late and he was 2 hours late that day lol
I’d be happy to get a few new guys that are willing to learn how to run excavators, minis, skid steers and Barko’s but I can’t even find that with offering them a company truck so I’m not sure what to do at this point. I’m attempting to build a new crew for a certain area but the new guys would be mixed in with seasoned operators to learn, it sounds easy enough however nobody wants to work any more.
 

DDoug

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What does the internet say about your company ?
employees leaving comments, etc. Monstor.com and the like ?

Could it be you existing employees ride the new people too hard ?
Hazing and initation type "events" ?
 

chidog

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I try to treat my guys the way I want to be treated. Make sure they can have off when they need off, try to get them the equipment and tools that they need, when they need them.
Right on. Thats a good employer.

I worked for peanuts like the idiot I am for a guy for many years, because he gave me freedom, as well as job owership. Key thing "freedom" I know all companys and bosses hate that. But it is what some people need. Stop with the strict be here at this time or else crap, it especially won't work with the younger generations, I'm not that(young), but always hated to be a slave to the clock and traffic.
When I did operating I could keep the schedule and more, but when twisting wrenches that is on my time line as being half asleep and rushing me never results in a good outcome doing that kind of work.
 

crane operator

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Right on. Thats a good employer.
Thanks, I try. I'm always learning.

We have close to 400 employees and haven't had a real issue up until this year but it’s gotten pretty bad.


At that size, I'm not sure I can give any advice. Likely you have exceeded the talent pool in your hiring/base area, and are probably traveling a lot for the work?

To hire guys temp in the area that you're at each time, isn't going to be easy, the good guys have a steady gig somewhere, so you're left with the guys that can't keep a steady gig.

Its tough to pay enough to keep guys on the road, when they can make the same money staying home. The only solution is to pay outrageously well, and even then most good guys don't want to go on the road.

As far as the "no one wants to work", I personally don't think that's true. I know young guys in the industry who are probably far more mature than I was in their day. They are more comfortable with the computers and technology than I am. I'm probably more comfortable taking a sledge to something that won't fit than they are.

But I don't think there's any difference today in "good" guys than there was when I was their age. I know I was a idiot when I was 18 and did all kinds of stupid stuff. 20 year old guys are going to do 20 year old stupid stuff. I don't expect them to do the same mistake twice. But we were all there, and you don't learn it all on the first month.

The number of 20 year olds today, that grew up around equipment from the time they were 10 is miniscule. I grew up in a midwest farming area, so was around equipment early on. The acres that were farmed by ten families, are now farmed by one or two. So there's a talent pool disappeared.

A lot of the boomers that are leaving/ gone, grew up and got drafted, so they got exposed to equipment in the military that they never would have otherwise, so there's another talent pool gone.

We lost a lot of young guys from 2008 to 2014 in the construction industry, because the rest of us that had some experience, were trying to hang onto our jobs, and there weren't any jobs for young guys, and they went to other industries. Those are the guys that were supposed to be learning 10-15 years ago, and running jobs now. And they aren't here because we didn't train them, because there wasn't a job for them. The boomer population numbers ensured a steady supply of workers yet at that time, and there isn't a left over talent pool now.

At 400 guys, you may just have to live with what you have and be thankful, or really stretch to find the young good guys. They are out there. You just have to make it the job and adventure they are looking for.
 

AzIron

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I am young and just recently started getting older guys to be interested in working with me so I am now getting reasonably experienced guys looking that is a big change in the last 4 months but our market has slowed a lot from a year ago

So I started hiring green know nothing kids and training them as an owner being the guy in the ditch shooting grade for a rookie operator did a lot for the company culture right now I have 14 field guys 2 are over 30 half are under 23 I feel like a preschool teacher but I have some of the hardest working guys I know of because they know they don't have experience and my turnover is under 15 percent so I feel like I am getting a pretty solid crew together

I try to run similar to crane op my people come before the work we go out to top golf or clay shooting a few times a year with all the families company picks up the bill but it makes a big impact on morale
 

Reuben Frazier

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NE Texas
I agree with pretty much everything most of you guys are saying and we do require some traveling at times when the weathers bad and can’t work in a location. I give the guys an option to go work at another semi close site to help out if needed and anyone that’s been with us a year or more gets 40 hours a week if they never put their boots on and we can’t work due to the weather. It’s never going to be enough for everyone but I’ll find a few guys eventually, I was hoping for a magic wand
 
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