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case 780 impulse buy, so many questions....

Tinkerer

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We are a special breed here, we prefer all the madness and sadness in one place. Plus, if you have two treads going, some other gumshoe will probably spike the old one with some meaningless drivel, and then Tinkerer will respond to that and away we go down a useless rabbithole.

Better to keep it all localized. JMHO.
Nice.

Evidently I need to end my time here.
I never meant to take anyone’s thread down a “useless rabbit hole”
 

Shimmy1

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Pretty insane to overload a trailer by 10,000lbs. It's probably beyond repair if it bent.
Have never seen Tinkerer post anything that wasn't helpful. He see's a post and if he can help he does. Can't fault him for that. Lots of posts aren't technically in the right forum.
I wasn't in any way referring negatively to a response by Tinkerer. I was just describing a situation that seems to happen when there are multiple threads by someone on the same machine. A new poster shows up, and then we have a page of sometimes useful, most times not info in the middle of someone else's project. Then, since THAT thread is at the top, all the sudden the OP is asking questions and getting answers there, instead of the main line. Pretty soon the other one pops back up, and all the sudden nobody knows which one they posted in, which one is the one they should be using, etc.

Tinkerer, if you took my comment the wrong way, I apologize. That wasn't my intention.
 

Shimmy1

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Nice.

Evidently I need to end my time here.
I never meant to take anyone’s thread down a “useless rabbit hole”

Sorry, probably bad choice of words. Your information is definitely not going down a rabbit hole. Sometimes when someone has multiple threads about the same machine, a big discussion starts up on an older one, and then guys get confused on which one they were replying on. It just makes it simpler to keep all the discussion in one place. Sorry
 

56wrench

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Back to the engine, make sure you find the source of the coolant in the crankcase before you order any parts. The worst case senario is the block or head could be cracked and then you may have to re-evaluate the direction of the project. The road to hell is paved with ‘good deals’ but then again, i have been accused of being a pessimist on more than one occasion.
 

JaredV

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Aftermarket tractor parts suppliers all over the Internet: "Will fit-" followed by dozens of different makes and models. A friend of mine doesn't refer to them as aftermarket parts, he calls them will fit parts. I'm looking forward to watching this project.
 

NMBlackBetty

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Nice.

Evidently I need to end my time here.
I never meant to take anyone’s thread down a “useless rabbit hole”
Lord no, you have been sooo helpful. Finding your replies In older posts you replied to had saved me from having to ask a lot of repeat questions that were already answered on this forum. Don't let one bad remark drive you away.
 

NMBlackBetty

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Pretty insane to overload a trailer by 10,000lbs. It's probably beyond repair if it bent.
Have never seen Tinkerer post anything that wasn't helpful. He see's a post and if he can help he does. Can't fault him for that. Lots of posts aren't technically in the right forum.
Not just the trailer, that truck was bottomed out on suspension, and smoking the whole way. I bet the rear differential is due for some new fluid after that. Glad it wasn't my rig, that's all I can say.
 

Welder Dave

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The truck and trailer are probably both toast. Unless you paid him way too much he shouldn't have taken the job. Way more damage than what he made.
 

NMBlackBetty

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The truck and trailer are probably both toast. Unless you paid him way too much he shouldn't have taken the job. Way more damage than what he made.
Nope, only paid him $300 to move it 17 miles. I told him when he come to look at it before the move that it was 26k lbs or more, he said "not a problem". I warned him when he showed up in that rig that there is no way that's going to work, he argued he's been doing this for 30 years and his deere 410 backhoe he brought to help load it weighed more, went to deeres website and showed him that his machine was less than 16k lbs. He again said there is no way our 780 weighed that much, I showed him the gvw tags at 26,000 lbs he again argued, I said let me just give you $50 for the trouble and I'll find someone else. He again argued he's done this 30 years and knows better.

Finally I gave up and said " okay, I'll be waiting on the other end with your $300 if you make it"

Drug the machine onto our scale this morning out of curiosity. 29,813lbs. I didn't notice it before but all the steel on the back and top of the bucket isn't factory, they welded it there for weight.

Safe to say the haul rig is likely toast.
 

Welder Dave

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I would bet the guy didn't want to admit defeat. I would also bet he's kicking himself for being so stupid. Did the machine run and drive? Maybe I'm forgetting but why not just drive it the 17 miles home?
 

NMBlackBetty

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Alright guys, first question of the rebuild phase. Wanting to drain the fuel out of the machine. Crawled around and didn't see a plug. I know I can siphon it out, but it has a full tank, and it's been sitting 25 years. I really want to flush it out very thoroughly. I dropped a magnet in it and there is a lot of debris and it needs cleaned out. I haven't been able to get my hands on a full service manual for the 780 yet so no joy there.

Any ideas? Doesn't look like removal of the tank is easily possible.
 

materthegreater

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Nope, only paid him $300 to move it 17 miles. I told him when he come to look at it before the move that it was 26k lbs or more, he said "not a problem". I warned him when he showed up in that rig that there is no way that's going to work, he argued he's been doing this for 30 years and his deere 410 backhoe he brought to help load it weighed more, went to deeres website and showed him that his machine was less than 16k lbs. He again said there is no way our 780 weighed that much, I showed him the gvw tags at 26,000 lbs he again argued, I said let me just give you $50 for the trouble and I'll find someone else. He again argued he's done this 30 years and knows better.

Finally I gave up and said " okay, I'll be waiting on the other end with your $300 if you make it"

Drug the machine onto our scale this morning out of curiosity. 29,813lbs. I didn't notice it before but all the steel on the back and top of the bucket isn't factory, they welded it there for weight.

Safe to say the haul rig is likely toast.
We have a fun thread called "overload of the day" for making fun of guys like him. If you have any better pictures of it on his trailer that would be a nice addition to that thread!
 

skyking1

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Upload to youtube and then paste the share link in the text field here. No special handling, the site takes care of the rest.
 

skyking1

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I'd be very surprised if there is no tank sump point or drain. Keep looking.
I have a vac extractor that I use for everything under the sun, but there aughta be a sump point.
 

NMBlackBetty

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I'd be very surprised if there is no tank sump point or drain. Keep looking.
I have a vac extractor that I use for everything under the sun, but there aughta be a sump point.
Thanks for the encouragement. It wouldn't make sense to me if there isn't, but I look hard. Was hoping someone either knew where else to look, or had a good idea. It really does need to be flushed out some how. I'm used to restoration of old diesel trucks where I can just take the tank out and flip it over, not looking like that's going to work here.
 
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