57 Case 310 Loader

[shovel55]

I have what I think is a 57 Case 310 Loader.It has the backhoe attachment added to it and was wondering if anyone knew anyone that had parts or knows where I may find some parts for this.I need the exhaust manifold for one and also the cylinder for the arm on the backhoe part hopefully can still find parts for it.I will post a couple pics of it.It needs paint so don't hurt your eyes to much looking at it.I wanna fix it up I think would be cool to use it around here.This is my first machine and I like the old stuff.The motor pic is the exhaust manifold I need you can see is broken away in the front and the cylinder you can see is missing totally.Any help would be appreciated
Thanks

 

[steponmebbbboom]

that machine would be a labour of love as it appears to be worn beyond serviceable condition.
there is another basket case thread going here where an individual bought a machine without doing a complete evaluation on it and was surprised with the amount of damage he found. luckily he seems to be an extremely competent mechanic and has done some very complicated and specialised repairs himself, and may just complete this machine within his budget.

as a novice you CANNOT expect to have the same results he has. I cannot stress that enough.

If you ask this forum where you can find a dipper cylinder and an exhaust manifold for this loader, you may get a response that will lead you to those parts. You will then install them on your machine, and then go on to the next problem. You can continue to waste countless thousands of dollars on countless hundreds of repairs this way, and never make any tangible progress toward getting your loader actually operational unless you get an evaluation done. Do yourself a favour hire a licensed heavy equipment mechanic to perform a mechanical evaluation on your machine so you actually have some information you can come back to us with, it will take a couple hours and cost maybe $150-200 depending who you hire and tell you TONS about your machine's condition, or you can spend weeks and take this thread to 80 pages long with back and forth Q & A between yourself and people like us who still cant see and touch your machine.

you seem like the kind of guy who wants quick answers and doesnt have money to throw away. So spend the money youre thinking of spending on a manifold and cylinder and instead have a mechanic take a good look at your machine. otherwise you could end up spending years bolting parts onto a machine with hidden catastrophic damage you won't see until it is too late.

 

[shovel55]

Case 310

well thanks for your input but what you have told me in all your lines is very incorrect in your assumption to say the least.I am not asking for fast answers nor do I expect them and I don't need a mechanic to check this out as I will be the judge of my machine.I have been working on car motors and such for 30 some odd years or more and gas motors are just that gas motors.I have dealt with hydralics as well so an exhaust manifold that is broken and a cylinder is not to much to start with.I may have located both for cheaper money then you may think and as far as you talking about any type of money I may or may not have you know nothing there either so in all your lines or posting you told me nothing but at any rate thanks for what input you gave which was of not much use.I could have read a blank paper and got more out of it then what you said in all that posting and thanks again

 

[steponmebbbboom]

you're welcome.

i look forward to reading the conclusion of this project when this thread runs its course.

good luck.

 

[OneWelder]

Those are not complicated tractors - with a manual and a minimal amount of experience or help you should be able to figure it out- these are erector sets - in that the tractor is made then loader and backhoe are added
Which means the manifold maybe found in a farm tractor supply or junk yard as well as construction - Wengers is a nationally advertised one in your area
.

 

[shovel55]

Case 310

Thanks steponme and one welder.I got the machine really cheap so whatever I put in it will well be worth it and it turns over and sounds good but believe I just need some points.The manifold and cylinder I think I have found.I will find that out later today and at a very decent price.Some paint on the old machine will do wonders when I get that far
Thanks Again Guys

 

[OneWelder]

Run a dollar bill between contacts of points , also wiggle the arm enough to to reestablish ground ( if you have lost it ) a lot times they just corrode from sitting and do not need to be replaced in order to start engine . then if you getengine running and it is a keeper replace what is needed
With key on , contacts closed you should get a spark if you open contacts with screw driver

 

[FL450B]

Try nash tractor in nh they have lots of older parts

 

[FL450B]

Add pertronic ing system for around 80.00 bucks it will make it run better and no more points to deal with

 

[steponmebbbboom]

since the hydraulic lines to the missing cylinder are not capped, you will need to flush the hydraulic system and change filters before attempting to operate the machine. check to make sure the control valve spools and hydraulic pump are not seized or binding. when you drain the hydraulic oil you will get an indication of whether the whole system, or just the lines to the dipper cylinder, are contaminated with water. oil emulsified with water will appear milky in colour.

 

[Mikefromcny]

I love these threads! I had been looking for a project like yours for the past few years, but never found any. I check andos everyday to see how he's coming along. Check www.steinertractor.com for a manifold. Chances are yours in based off a farm tractor and parts should be easy to come by. Always nice to see iron saved. I'll be watchin -Mike:drinkup

 

[Phil]

Good advice, check the numerous tractor wreckers. For hard to find exhaust manifolds that have portions missing or rotted away, I think gas welding with solid cast iron filler rod with flux is the preferred method.

It's a beautiful thing Shovel, good luck on the restoration. Phil

 

[cgraham1]

My dad had 2 of these machines, just sold them off a couple of years ago. I moved a lot of dirt with one of them. It seemed to me that the backhoe itself was way too big for the size of the tractor. Both of my dad's had been broken in half right behind where the FEL mounted and then crudely welded back together, and my dad occasionally had to add a bead or two to keep it together. And the little gas engine must've had about 1 HP left in it, because it barely had enough power to drive around on flat ground!
Good luck with the resto and keep us posted!

 

[Ando]

You could use a silicon bronze filler rod to flame weld, although, the most foolproof method is to use a fusion power spray torch, such as a Eutectic Superjet, Eutalloy torch and a cast iron filler powder.
A boilermaking or machine shop in your area should have one to do the job.
The powder is a little expensive but I've repaired dozens of manifolds that "couldn't be repaired" over the years.
You would probably get some deformation, so the flange face, where it seals on the head would have to be machined/ground flat again.

I would steer away from a arc welding repair, as they usually crack. (too much tension in the casting)

Much easier to source a second-hand manifold......if you can

 

[shovel55]

57 Loader now said to be a 41 or 42 VAC Industrial

Thanks guys for all your input on this it helps out alot.The manifold itself will need replaced as the front of it is missing totally, like broke off.I think I have located one at a very reasonable price.The same guy has one or 2 of these still running and says its a 41 or 42 model VAC Industrial made by JIK which is no longer in business anyone know who may have bought them out, but at any rate this old boy is well older then I thought.You guys know any leads on the cylinder thats missing that is a Case 310 backhoe attachment cause you can read the 310 on the arm still.We will see how this thing will work sooner or later it be fun rideing it around here and put some paint on the old boy.Thanks again you guys.The internet is a good reference also but with something this old you need help beyone that

 

[Phil]

Shovel,
Might be best to look for a cylinder off some other backhoe attachment, one with good chrome and a straight rod, preferably one that hasn't sat outside for years, unused. The extended length is important also, it's a pain when one curls the bucket and it scrapes the boom. I've shortened cylinders and rods both, so that may be an option if you find a nice clean cylinder off an old Case 580 hoe, that is too long.

Going back to post #2, I see lots of words of wisdom there, so despite your love of old iron(you are not alone), I would focus on the basic drive-train checks first, rather than locating parts. See if the engine will turn over, gas engines can seize quickly. Check for coolant in the oil pan, also see if the trans/ diff is full of rain water by pulling the drain plugs. Put some old coolant in the rad and see if it pours out through a crack in the side of the block or a frozen rad. It's bad enough that the hydraulics have sat unused for years. Cylinders rust inside, rainwater seeps in through gland and spool seals. Milky hydraulic oil has a chance to work on every machined surface.

Then one has to wonder why the machine got parked in the first place, spun rod bearing, bad clutch, the list goes on. If you can recover your costs by scrapping the machine, go ahead and have fun, but add the costs up first before committing. Phil

 

[shovel55]

57 Case

I agree on your posts if it would take to much would part it out but when I picked it up we charged a battery and tried starting it and it turned over rather well sounded good but didn't start points or something prolly so thats why will replace exhaust manifold and get it stated and like you said go from there if it seems like gonna take a bunch of money it really ain't worth it.I saw this machine advertised a year or so before I ended up getting it and if I remember it was running but needed that cylinder and maybe some lines which I see the new owner replaced so I take it he had it running in fact I think his ex wife had said he replaced a few parts and had it running I believe but who knows we will see thanks for the input

 

[OneWelder]

look for a small tag riveted to the hoe near where it attachés to tractor - there should be a two digit # ie ' 32 ' Model # and serial # - call your salvage yds with the model #
If this does not work you will need to get all dimensions and look for a will fit, or have one made

 

[shovel55]

Case 310

ok thanks I will check on that

 

[roadrunner81]

I went down to County Line Equipment today and it looks as if they have several booms similar to yours out in their yard. Not sure if they were 3's or 4's but thay all had nice cylinders.